Unable to Create System Image on DVD's

"Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message >>> images for both are on external HD's.

> That is what I thought also.
>
> It surprised me when during the process I got a message saying, " Are you
> sure you want to format this media? The media needs to be formatted before
> it can be used." Then it gives me the choice of 'Format' or 'Cancel' and
> nothing else. If I choose Format, I get the problem I described above. If
> I choose Cancel I go back to the previous screen and then to the above
> question again. This loop continues until I cancel the whole thing.
>
> If our common belief about not needing to format a blank DVD is correct, why
> in the world would Windows 7 'Create a System Image' say otherwise? Go
> figure? Bug maybe?
>
> Thanks again.
>
>

I don't know the answer but Vista was plagued with dvd burning problems
and it hasn't improved. I cannot understand how a one-man-band like Imgburn:
http://www.imgburn.com/
can produce a superior free (donation) product while Microsoft, with all their
$billions, fail. In any case, if you finally do get the image to burn, how reliable
is the (a) image and (b) the recovery routine?
I prefer to rely on a hard disk image.
http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm

Thank you, John.

I will keep pursuing this and hope someone can come up with an answer.
Several people on Tech Net suggested using +RW disk instead of +R. I know
from experience that will yield a good image. I guess I could copy the RW's
to a R for long term storage. For now, I will just depend on the images I
have out on external HD's.

Thanks again.

"John Keiser" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Clearly you are not alone:
> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...6-1beb6c51eb19
>
> "John Keiser" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>I asked because old DVD units were often limited to certain media.
>>
>> Your DVD unit should not be the problem if it is a LiteOn DH-20A4P which
>> has the capability of using either meda:
>>
>> "The LiteOn DH-20A4P is a half-heigt internal dvd reader and burner
>> combination drive. With its support of Double Layer DVD recording, you
>> can burn up to 8.5 GB of data on a single DVD-DL disc. This drive has
>> special technology to reduce noice during reading and burning, and
>> multiple other technologies ensure burning quality.
>>
>> Features
>> . ATAPI/E-IDE Half-Height internal DVD+R / DVD+RW / DVD-R / DVD-RW /
>> DVD+R9/ DVD-R9 / DVD-RAM / DVD-ROM / CD-R/ CD-RW / CD-ROM combination
>> drive.
>> . Support Double Layer DVD+/- R9 Recording Function.
>> . SMART-WRITE: Through drive's self-learning function, automatically
>> detect and decide the optimal write strategy of DVD recordable media (
>> DVD+R & DVD-R ) for the best write quality.
>> . Support Fixed Packet, Variable Packet, TAO, SAO, DAO, Random Access
>> time, Incremental, sequential recording, restricted overwrite, Layer Jump
>> recording, Raw Mode Burning & Over-Burn."
>>
>> Perhaps someone better versed can use that info to solve the issue.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message
>> news:Rb-...
>>>
>>>
>>> "John Keiser" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> Tell us the make and model of the DDV burner and the version of the
>>>> software you are using.
>>>> You will get a better answer.
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> Belarc Advisor reports the burner to be an
>>> ATAPI DVD A DH20A4P ATA Device
>>> as does Win7 Device Manager
>>>
>>> As I said, I was trying to create a system image of my Window 7
>>> installation. So I suppose I can safely say the software is within
>>> Windows 7.
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>>
>>>>> I have Win 7 64 bit installed on my laptop as well as my desktop.
>>>>> System images for both are on external HD's.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the laptop, I have created a system image on blank DVD's using
>>>>> DVD-R's. No problems -- I can restore from the DVD's.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, when I try to create a system image on blank DVD-R's on my
>>>>> desktop, I get a message saying something like, "format was
>>>>> unsuccessful." If I use a DVD+RW the process runs to completion and I
>>>>> can restore from it. I had to use RW's because I don't have any +R's.
>>>>>
>>>>> I get the same unsuccessful message if I try to format a blank DVD-R
>>>>> with Win 7.
>>>>>
>>>>> My DVD burner on the desktop says it is a +R. Does that mean I can't
>>>>> use -R's.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've no idea whether this is a Win 7 problem, burner problem or a
>>>>> problem on my part.
>>>>>
>>>>> Would someone please try to straighten out the dense old mind?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
>

"Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
>
> "Dave-UK" <Here@home> wrote in message
> news:...
>>
>> "Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>>
>>> I have Win 7 64 bit installed on my laptop as well as my desktop. System
>>> images for both are on external HD's.
>>>
>>> On the laptop, I have created a system image on blank DVD's using
>>> DVD-R's. No problems -- I can restore from the DVD's.
>>>
>>> However, when I try to create a system image on blank DVD-R's on my
>>> desktop, I get a message saying something like, "format was
>>> unsuccessful." If I use a DVD+RW the process runs to completion and I
>>> can restore from it. I had to use RW's because I don't have any +R's.
>>>
>>> I get the same unsuccessful message if I try to format a blank DVD-R
>>> with Win 7.
>>>
>>> My DVD burner on the desktop says it is a +R. Does that mean I can't
>>> use -R's.
>>>
>>> I've no idea whether this is a Win 7 problem, burner problem or a
>>> problem on my part.
>>>
>>> Would someone please try to straighten out the dense old mind?
>>>
>>> Thank you very much.
>>
>> You don't format blank DVD R's. They are a write-once medium.
>> DVD-RW need to be formatted as they can be written to multiple times.
>>
>> Have a look in Help and Support and enter 'dvd burning' into the
>> search to get some info about different DVD formats.
>>
>>Thank you very much.
>
> That is what I thought also.
>
> It surprised me when during the process I got a message saying, " Are you
> sure you want to format this media? The media needs to be formatted
> before it can be used." Then it gives me the choice of 'Format' or
> 'Cancel' and nothing else. If I choose Format, I get the problem I
> described above. If I choose Cancel I go back to the previous screen and
> then to the above question again. This loop continues until I cancel the
> whole thing.
>
> If our common belief about not needing to format a blank DVD is correct,
> why in the world would Windows 7 'Create a System Image' say otherwise?
> Go figure? Bug maybe?
>
> Thanks again.

I suspect that this process is a form of "packet writing" which does
require formatting of the media even if it is "write once."

"Dave-UK" <Here@home> wrote in message
news:...
>
> "Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message >>> images for
> both are on external HD's.
>
>> That is what I thought also.
>>
>> It surprised me when during the process I got a message saying, " Are you
>> sure you want to format this media? The media needs to be formatted
>> before it can be used." Then it gives me the choice of 'Format' or
>> 'Cancel' and nothing else. If I choose Format, I get the problem I
>> described above. If I choose Cancel I go back to the previous screen and
>> then to the above question again. This loop continues until I cancel the
>> whole thing.
>>
>> If our common belief about not needing to format a blank DVD is correct,
>> why in the world would Windows 7 'Create a System Image' say otherwise?
>> Go figure? Bug maybe?
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>>
>
> I don't know the answer but Vista was plagued with dvd burning problems
> and it hasn't improved. I cannot understand how a one-man-band like
> Imgburn:
> http://www.imgburn.com/
> can produce a superior free (donation) product while Microsoft, with all
> their
> $billions, fail. In any case, if you finally do get the image to burn, how
> reliable
> is the (a) image and (b) the recovery routine?
> I prefer to rely on a hard disk image.
> http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm

Vista plagued with DVD burning problems???? I don't know what your problem
was. I had never heard of any burning problems and never had a problem
burning hundreds of DVD's of various types and brands using Vista Home
Premium 64.

Jack,
Could be the media or who knows.
I have always used Acronis TI with no complaints. Possibly more options
than the included MS product.
I use both DVDs and an external HD but I assume the external HD is better
than the DVDs, if only because I have found that a homemade DVD may not be
readable on another DVD player.
Can't have too many backups.




"Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message
news:-...
> Thank you, John.
>
> I will keep pursuing this and hope someone can come up with an answer.
> Several people on Tech Net suggested using +RW disk instead of +R. I know
> from experience that will yield a good image. I guess I could copy the
> RW's to a R for long term storage. For now, I will just depend on the
> images I have out on external HD's.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> "John Keiser" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Clearly you are not alone:
>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...6-1beb6c51eb19
>>
>> "John Keiser" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>>I asked because old DVD units were often limited to certain media.
>>>
>>> Your DVD unit should not be the problem if it is a LiteOn DH-20A4P which
>>> has the capability of using either meda:
>>>
>>> "The LiteOn DH-20A4P is a half-heigt internal dvd reader and burner
>>> combination drive. With its support of Double Layer DVD recording, you
>>> can burn up to 8.5 GB of data on a single DVD-DL disc. This drive has
>>> special technology to reduce noice during reading and burning, and
>>> multiple other technologies ensure burning quality.
>>>
>>> Features
>>> . ATAPI/E-IDE Half-Height internal DVD+R / DVD+RW / DVD-R / DVD-RW /
>>> DVD+R9/ DVD-R9 / DVD-RAM / DVD-ROM / CD-R/ CD-RW / CD-ROM combination
>>> drive.
>>> . Support Double Layer DVD+/- R9 Recording Function.
>>> . SMART-WRITE: Through drive's self-learning function, automatically
>>> detect and decide the optimal write strategy of DVD recordable media (
>>> DVD+R & DVD-R ) for the best write quality.
>>> . Support Fixed Packet, Variable Packet, TAO, SAO, DAO, Random Access
>>> time, Incremental, sequential recording, restricted overwrite, Layer
>>> Jump recording, Raw Mode Burning & Over-Burn."
>>>
>>> Perhaps someone better versed can use that info to solve the issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message
>>> news:Rb-...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "John Keiser" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> Tell us the make and model of the DDV burner and the version of the
>>>>> software you are using.
>>>>> You will get a better answer.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you
>>>>
>>>> Belarc Advisor reports the burner to be an
>>>> ATAPI DVD A DH20A4P ATA Device
>>>> as does Win7 Device Manager
>>>>
>>>> As I said, I was trying to create a system image of my Window 7
>>>> installation. So I suppose I can safely say the software is within
>>>> Windows 7.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have Win 7 64 bit installed on my laptop as well as my desktop.
>>>>>> System images for both are on external HD's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the laptop, I have created a system image on blank DVD's using
>>>>>> DVD-R's. No problems -- I can restore from the DVD's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, when I try to create a system image on blank DVD-R's on my
>>>>>> desktop, I get a message saying something like, "format was
>>>>>> unsuccessful." If I use a DVD+RW the process runs to completion and I
>>>>>> can restore from it. I had to use RW's because I don't have any +R's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I get the same unsuccessful message if I try to format a blank DVD-R
>>>>>> with Win 7.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My DVD burner on the desktop says it is a +R. Does that mean I can't
>>>>>> use -R's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've no idea whether this is a Win 7 problem, burner problem or a
>>>>>> problem on my part.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would someone please try to straighten out the dense old mind?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

"Worn Out Retread" <> wrote in message
news:hcsbl0$epi$...
> "Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>
>>
>> "Dave-UK" <Here@home> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>>
>>> "Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>>
>>>> I have Win 7 64 bit installed on my laptop as well as my desktop.
>>>> System images for both are on external HD's.
>>>>
>>>> On the laptop, I have created a system image on blank DVD's using
>>>> DVD-R's. No problems -- I can restore from the DVD's.
>>>>
>>>> However, when I try to create a system image on blank DVD-R's on my
>>>> desktop, I get a message saying something like, "format was
>>>> unsuccessful." If I use a DVD+RW the process runs to completion and I
>>>> can restore from it. I had to use RW's because I don't have any +R's.
>>>>
>>>> I get the same unsuccessful message if I try to format a blank DVD-R
>>>> with Win 7.
>>>>
>>>> My DVD burner on the desktop says it is a +R. Does that mean I can't
>>>> use -R's.
>>>>
>>>> I've no idea whether this is a Win 7 problem, burner problem or a
>>>> problem on my part.
>>>>
>>>> Would someone please try to straighten out the dense old mind?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>
>>> You don't format blank DVD R's. They are a write-once medium.
>>> DVD-RW need to be formatted as they can be written to multiple times.
>>>
>>> Have a look in Help and Support and enter 'dvd burning' into the
>>> search to get some info about different DVD formats.
>>>
>>>Thank you very much.
>>
>> That is what I thought also.
>>
>> It surprised me when during the process I got a message saying, " Are you
>> sure you want to format this media? The media needs to be formatted
>> before it can be used." Then it gives me the choice of 'Format' or
>> 'Cancel' and nothing else. If I choose Format, I get the problem I
>> described above. If I choose Cancel I go back to the previous screen and
>> then to the above question again. This loop continues until I cancel the
>> whole thing.
>>
>> If our common belief about not needing to format a blank DVD is correct,
>> why in the world would Windows 7 'Create a System Image' say otherwise?
>> Go figure? Bug maybe?
>>
>> Thanks again.
>
> I suspect that this process is a form of "packet writing" which does
> require formatting of the media even if it is "write once."

Interesting! Thank you.

"Worn Out Retread" <> wrote in message
news:hcsbrg$f0q$...
> "Dave-UK" <Here@home> wrote in message
> news:...
>>
>> "Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message >>> images for
>> both are on external HD's.
>>
>>> That is what I thought also.
>>>
>>> It surprised me when during the process I got a message saying, " Are
>>> you sure you want to format this media? The media needs to be formatted
>>> before it can be used." Then it gives me the choice of 'Format' or
>>> 'Cancel' and nothing else. If I choose Format, I get the problem I
>>> described above. If I choose Cancel I go back to the previous screen
>>> and then to the above question again. This loop continues until I
>>> cancel the whole thing.
>>>
>>> If our common belief about not needing to format a blank DVD is correct,
>>> why in the world would Windows 7 'Create a System Image' say otherwise?
>>> Go figure? Bug maybe?
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I don't know the answer but Vista was plagued with dvd burning problems
>> and it hasn't improved. I cannot understand how a one-man-band like
>> Imgburn:
>> http://www.imgburn.com/
>> can produce a superior free (donation) product while Microsoft, with all
>> their
>> $billions, fail. In any case, if you finally do get the image to burn,
>> how reliable
>> is the (a) image and (b) the recovery routine?
>> I prefer to rely on a hard disk image.
>> http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm
>
> Vista plagued with DVD burning problems???? I don't know what your problem
> was. I had never heard of any burning problems and never had a problem
> burning hundreds of DVD's of various types and brands using Vista Home
> Premium 64.

I can't say I've burned 100's of DVD under Windows 7 but have burned quite a
few with Nero, Image Burn as well as 7's native ability. All with no
problems.
The problem comes about only when I try to create a System Image from the
Control Panel.

Thanks.

"John Keiser" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Jack,
> Could be the media or who knows.
> I have always used Acronis TI with no complaints. Possibly more options
> than the included MS product.
> I use both DVDs and an external HD but I assume the external HD is better
> than the DVDs, if only because I have found that a homemade DVD may not be
> readable on another DVD player.
> Can't have too many backups.

I agree with that! Will continue to rely on my TI backups as well as System
Images on hard disks.

It is funny but sometimes I get the feeling I've more backups than I do data
files.

Thanks.


>
>
>
>
> "Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message
> news:-...
>> Thank you, John.
>>
>> I will keep pursuing this and hope someone can come up with an answer.
>> Several people on Tech Net suggested using +RW disk instead of +R. I
>> know from experience that will yield a good image. I guess I could copy
>> the RW's to a R for long term storage. For now, I will just depend on
>> the images I have out on external HD's.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> "John Keiser" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Clearly you are not alone:
>>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...6-1beb6c51eb19
>>>
>>> "John Keiser" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>>I asked because old DVD units were often limited to certain media.
>>>>
>>>> Your DVD unit should not be the problem if it is a LiteOn DH-20A4P
>>>> which has the capability of using either meda:
>>>>
>>>> "The LiteOn DH-20A4P is a half-heigt internal dvd reader and burner
>>>> combination drive. With its support of Double Layer DVD recording, you
>>>> can burn up to 8.5 GB of data on a single DVD-DL disc. This drive has
>>>> special technology to reduce noice during reading and burning, and
>>>> multiple other technologies ensure burning quality.
>>>>
>>>> Features
>>>> . ATAPI/E-IDE Half-Height internal DVD+R / DVD+RW / DVD-R / DVD-RW /
>>>> DVD+R9/ DVD-R9 / DVD-RAM / DVD-ROM / CD-R/ CD-RW / CD-ROM combination
>>>> drive.
>>>> . Support Double Layer DVD+/- R9 Recording Function.
>>>> . SMART-WRITE: Through drive's self-learning function, automatically
>>>> detect and decide the optimal write strategy of DVD recordable media
>>>> ( DVD+R & DVD-R ) for the best write quality.
>>>> . Support Fixed Packet, Variable Packet, TAO, SAO, DAO, Random Access
>>>> time, Incremental, sequential recording, restricted overwrite, Layer
>>>> Jump recording, Raw Mode Burning & Over-Burn."
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps someone better versed can use that info to solve the issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:Rb-...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "John Keiser" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:...
>>>>>> Tell us the make and model of the DDV burner and the version of the
>>>>>> software you are using.
>>>>>> You will get a better answer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>
>>>>> Belarc Advisor reports the burner to be an
>>>>> ATAPI DVD A DH20A4P ATA Device
>>>>> as does Win7 Device Manager
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said, I was trying to create a system image of my Window 7
>>>>> installation. So I suppose I can safely say the software is within
>>>>> Windows 7.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have Win 7 64 bit installed on my laptop as well as my desktop.
>>>>>>> System images for both are on external HD's.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the laptop, I have created a system image on blank DVD's using
>>>>>>> DVD-R's. No problems -- I can restore from the DVD's.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, when I try to create a system image on blank DVD-R's on my
>>>>>>> desktop, I get a message saying something like, "format was
>>>>>>> unsuccessful." If I use a DVD+RW the process runs to completion and
>>>>>>> I can restore from it. I had to use RW's because I don't have any
>>>>>>> +R's.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I get the same unsuccessful message if I try to format a blank DVD-R
>>>>>>> with Win 7.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My DVD burner on the desktop says it is a +R. Does that mean I can't
>>>>>>> use -R's.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've no idea whether this is a Win 7 problem, burner problem or a
>>>>>>> problem on my part.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would someone please try to straighten out the dense old mind?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

If you have TI, why use the included System Backup?
You may not have bought the option, but TI has "Universal Restore" which
allows you to restore different hardware, if needed. This has been useful
to me in the past.
I don't see what advantage the MS System backup has over TI.



"Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message
news:gL-...
>
>
> "John Keiser" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Jack,
>> Could be the media or who knows.
>> I have always used Acronis TI with no complaints. Possibly more options
>> than the included MS product.
>> I use both DVDs and an external HD but I assume the external HD is better
>> than the DVDs, if only because I have found that a homemade DVD may not
>> be readable on another DVD player.
>> Can't have too many backups.
>
> I agree with that! Will continue to rely on my TI backups as well as
> System Images on hard disks.
>
> It is funny but sometimes I get the feeling I've more backups than I do
> data files.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message
>> news:-...
>>> Thank you, John.
>>>
>>> I will keep pursuing this and hope someone can come up with an answer.
>>> Several people on Tech Net suggested using +RW disk instead of +R. I
>>> know from experience that will yield a good image. I guess I could copy
>>> the RW's to a R for long term storage. For now, I will just depend on
>>> the images I have out on external HD's.
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>>
>>> "John Keiser" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> Clearly you are not alone:
>>>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...6-1beb6c51eb19
>>>>
>>>> "John Keiser" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>>I asked because old DVD units were often limited to certain media.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your DVD unit should not be the problem if it is a LiteOn DH-20A4P
>>>>> which has the capability of using either meda:
>>>>>
>>>>> "The LiteOn DH-20A4P is a half-heigt internal dvd reader and burner
>>>>> combination drive. With its support of Double Layer DVD recording, you
>>>>> can burn up to 8.5 GB of data on a single DVD-DL disc. This drive has
>>>>> special technology to reduce noice during reading and burning, and
>>>>> multiple other technologies ensure burning quality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Features
>>>>> . ATAPI/E-IDE Half-Height internal DVD+R / DVD+RW / DVD-R / DVD-RW /
>>>>> DVD+R9/ DVD-R9 / DVD-RAM / DVD-ROM / CD-R/ CD-RW / CD-ROM combination
>>>>> drive.
>>>>> . Support Double Layer DVD+/- R9 Recording Function.
>>>>> . SMART-WRITE: Through drive's self-learning function, automatically
>>>>> detect and decide the optimal write strategy of DVD recordable media
>>>>> ( DVD+R & DVD-R ) for the best write quality.
>>>>> . Support Fixed Packet, Variable Packet, TAO, SAO, DAO, Random Access
>>>>> time, Incremental, sequential recording, restricted overwrite, Layer
>>>>> Jump recording, Raw Mode Burning & Over-Burn."
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps someone better versed can use that info to solve the issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:Rb-...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "John Keiser" <> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>> Tell us the make and model of the DDV burner and the version of the
>>>>>>> software you are using.
>>>>>>> You will get a better answer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Belarc Advisor reports the burner to be an
>>>>>> ATAPI DVD A DH20A4P ATA Device
>>>>>> as does Win7 Device Manager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I said, I was trying to create a system image of my Window 7
>>>>>> installation. So I suppose I can safely say the software is within
>>>>>> Windows 7.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have Win 7 64 bit installed on my laptop as well as my desktop.
>>>>>>>> System images for both are on external HD's.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the laptop, I have created a system image on blank DVD's using
>>>>>>>> DVD-R's. No problems -- I can restore from the DVD's.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, when I try to create a system image on blank DVD-R's on my
>>>>>>>> desktop, I get a message saying something like, "format was
>>>>>>>> unsuccessful." If I use a DVD+RW the process runs to completion and
>>>>>>>> I can restore from it. I had to use RW's because I don't have any
>>>>>>>> +R's.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I get the same unsuccessful message if I try to format a blank
>>>>>>>> DVD-R with Win 7.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My DVD burner on the desktop says it is a +R. Does that mean I
>>>>>>>> can't use -R's.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've no idea whether this is a Win 7 problem, burner problem or a
>>>>>>>> problem on my part.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would someone please try to straighten out the dense old mind?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>

"John Keiser" <> wrote in message
news:lcydnQe2QO0UVWzXnZ2dnUVZ_u-...
> If you have TI, why use the included System Backup?
> You may not have bought the option, but TI has "Universal Restore" which
> allows you to restore different hardware, if needed. This has been useful
> to me in the past.
> I don't see what advantage the MS System backup has over TI.
>

I don't use the Windows Backup. I was only trying to create System Image.
I guess that might be considered part of Backup but am not sure. I am a TI
fan for years. The only problem I have had with 2010 under Win 7 is that I
have been unable to restore from within Windows. I have to boot the TI
Rescue Disk. Probably not a bad idea anyway. I wish I could find a way
to automatically add the @time@ and @machine@ to the proposed name for
backups. @date@ is already there. I have to add those manually for each
backup and it is a wee bit troublesome but well worth it for my purposes.

Thanks again.

>
>
> "Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message
> news:gL-...
>>
>>
>> "John Keiser" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Jack,
>>> Could be the media or who knows.
>>> I have always used Acronis TI with no complaints. Possibly more options
>>> than the included MS product.
>>> I use both DVDs and an external HD but I assume the external HD is
>>> better than the DVDs, if only because I have found that a homemade DVD
>>> may not be readable on another DVD player.
>>> Can't have too many backups.
>>
>> I agree with that! Will continue to rely on my TI backups as well as
>> System Images on hard disks.
>>
>> It is funny but sometimes I get the feeling I've more backups than I do
>> data files.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message
>>> news:-...
>>>> Thank you, John.
>>>>
>>>> I will keep pursuing this and hope someone can come up with an answer.
>>>> Several people on Tech Net suggested using +RW disk instead of +R. I
>>>> know from experience that will yield a good image. I guess I could
>>>> copy the RW's to a R for long term storage. For now, I will just
>>>> depend on the images I have out on external HD's.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>
>>>> "John Keiser" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>> Clearly you are not alone:
>>>>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/...6-1beb6c51eb19
>>>>>
>>>>> "John Keiser" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>I asked because old DVD units were often limited to certain media.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your DVD unit should not be the problem if it is a LiteOn DH-20A4P
>>>>>> which has the capability of using either meda:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The LiteOn DH-20A4P is a half-heigt internal dvd reader and burner
>>>>>> combination drive. With its support of Double Layer DVD recording,
>>>>>> you can burn up to 8.5 GB of data on a single DVD-DL disc. This drive
>>>>>> has special technology to reduce noice during reading and burning,
>>>>>> and multiple other technologies ensure burning quality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Features
>>>>>> . ATAPI/E-IDE Half-Height internal DVD+R / DVD+RW / DVD-R / DVD-RW /
>>>>>> DVD+R9/ DVD-R9 / DVD-RAM / DVD-ROM / CD-R/ CD-RW / CD-ROM combination
>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>> . Support Double Layer DVD+/- R9 Recording Function.
>>>>>> . SMART-WRITE: Through drive's self-learning function, automatically
>>>>>> detect and decide the optimal write strategy of DVD recordable media
>>>>>> ( DVD+R & DVD-R ) for the best write quality.
>>>>>> . Support Fixed Packet, Variable Packet, TAO, SAO, DAO, Random Access
>>>>>> time, Incremental, sequential recording, restricted overwrite, Layer
>>>>>> Jump recording, Raw Mode Burning & Over-Burn."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps someone better versed can use that info to solve the issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:Rb-...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "John Keiser" <> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>>> Tell us the make and model of the DDV burner and the version of the
>>>>>>>> software you are using.
>>>>>>>> You will get a better answer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Belarc Advisor reports the burner to be an
>>>>>>> ATAPI DVD A DH20A4P ATA Device
>>>>>>> as does Win7 Device Manager
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I said, I was trying to create a system image of my Window 7
>>>>>>> installation. So I suppose I can safely say the software is within
>>>>>>> Windows 7.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Jack Gillis" <> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have Win 7 64 bit installed on my laptop as well as my desktop.
>>>>>>>>> System images for both are on external HD's.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On the laptop, I have created a system image on blank DVD's using
>>>>>>>>> DVD-R's. No problems -- I can restore from the DVD's.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, when I try to create a system image on blank DVD-R's on
>>>>>>>>> my desktop, I get a message saying something like, "format was
>>>>>>>>> unsuccessful." If I use a DVD+RW the process runs to completion
>>>>>>>>> and I can restore from it. I had to use RW's because I don't have
>>>>>>>>> any +R's.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I get the same unsuccessful message if I try to format a blank
>>>>>>>>> DVD-R with Win 7.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My DVD burner on the desktop says it is a +R. Does that mean I
>>>>>>>>> can't use -R's.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've no idea whether this is a Win 7 problem, burner problem or a
>>>>>>>>> problem on my part.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Would someone please try to straighten out the dense old mind?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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