WindowsLiveMail doesn't work

[Valorie *~]

(Brevity snipped)

OK, I was responding to the poster who said it was being crammed down our
throats. This would be why I put quotes around forced, since the poster
said it (WLM) was being crammed down our throats. If an OEM loads it
already does this them mean the poor person who buys that PC is forced to
use it?

If there's nothing better out there that they like - yes. MS could easily
have OE or WM online for us to download if we choose. It wouldn't cost them
a dime.

You

mean they lock the PC so the owner can not load T-Bird or another program?
I seriously doubt it. I suspect a lot of OEMs loaded it to make it easier
on people who do not seem to be able to use Web based e-mail or load WLM.

Many of us HATE web based email.

I am

pretty sure anyone who buys a PC that has WLM already loaded can either
ignore it, and load another program to use, or even delete it and use any
other program they chose.

And what if they can't find another client they like? Why not have OE and
WM available on the MS website? Let those with W-7 chose which one they
want? Why is MS making those programs unavailable?

 

[Valorie *~]

That's even more information you should have volunteered if you were
really looking for help, rather then just complaining. You never
once mentioned that you were using 64-bit Windows.

Not in every post, no. You're right. Since WM has a sig file I'll add that
from now on. Thanks for reminding me.

You should never have had to download a separate DLL. Windows Live
Mail is qualified to run in 64-bit Windows. If something got screwed
up during installation, or if you broke it by messing around with
it, you could have just uninstalled it and reinstalled it.

You missed a post or two. HP installed the WRONG WLM on that PC. It had the
..dll for 32-bit. Whatever, it works now.

If you are looking for complainers about anything, you're sure to
find them. I'm also sure there are far more people who are perfectly
happy with it. I'm not one of them, by the way - I found free,
non-Microsoft alternatives to their email and news programs that I
think are far, far superior.

I downloaded Thunderbird but it has features that we don't want like only
allowing one account with an NSP when we have 2 with several of them. The
filters are for Geeks. I can't figure out how to limit the size of emails
people send.

Nothing was rammed down your throat. If you don't like WLM, there
are plenty of alternatives for little or no cost.

Where do I get one of the ones I want - OE or WM? I Googled and came up
empty handed.

OK, so you gave us one mere crumb of information. If you had come here
4 days ago with a complete and detailed description of your problem,
including all error messages, what exactly you had already tried,
etc. I'm sure we could have helped you. Since you were so coy about
the details, I can only assume you wanted to rant more than you
wanted a fix.

I mentioned several times it was 64-bit. I didn't know I was supposed to
repeat that info in every message. If I wanted to bitch I would have been
here every time we bought a new machine. If I had a question in the past a
quick Google got results. Who the hell would think of a wrong .dll?

 

[Valorie *~]

I have no way of testing whether I can set up multiple news accounts at
the same news service but with different accounts in Thunderbird.
However, I just checked it out and I found you certainly CAN do just
that with email accounts. I would think news accounts would be similar.

I updated TB and yes, I can add second NSP accounts now. Unfortunately
I don't like Thunderbird.

 

[Valorie *~]

Thanks, I think.


No clue, sorry. I have no intention of using WLM so maybe someone else
can help. Are you looking for a different persona per group, or are
you saying you have a few groups where you need multiple personas for
the same group?

There are a few that need a different persona.

 

[Valorie *~~]

Windows Live Mail is intended for a single user only. If you have more
than one person that uses WLM then each person needs their own Windows
User account. The login that you see when starting WLM is for the
online services portion of the Windows Live Essentials suite.

That's then yet another reason WLM wont work here for us. The few times we
tried adding other user accounts on PCs there were problems. I don't want
that headache again.

There is no log-on when I open WLM. It just opens and starts downloading
the email.

 

[Valorie *~~]

See the quote below. I *think* all you have to do is copy it from a
Vista machine. But take that with a grain of salt, since I've never
done it personally (again, I don't like Windows Mail); get
instructions from someone who has done it.

I can't move the files because even as the Amin it says I need permission.
Of course it doesn't say how or where to get that permission. Opening
Properties there is stuff there, most grayed out and useless. How do I get
this so called "permission?"

As I'm sure you know, I strongly disagree with you.

Why? If they didn't want to use WM or OE they could find something they
liked better. The rest of us would happily use OE or WM.

Because the great majority of people will use what they get, and not
even realize they have other choices, let alone look for them. Those
millions of people may have been happy with Outlook Express, but many
of them might have been much happier if they had tried and used one of
the several available problems that were better for them.

So? Why would MS care? What difference would it make? I don't see your
point. Why would MS care what email client people used?

And also realize that when you say "deprive ... us of what we were
happy with," it is not really accurate. Despite the difference in
names, Windows Mail was essentially a new version of Outlook Express,
and Windows Live Mail is a still newer version.

OE and WM are essentially the same. WLM is a whole other ballgame and you
know it.

Microsoft confused millions of people by making the very bad choice of
naming two programs as dissimilar as Outlook and Outlook Express with
such similar names. So calling the new Outlook Express by the new name
of Windows Mail was good thing to do. But alas, they then confused
things further by calling the newer version Windows Live Mail.

It's more than newer. Try and download all your mail into one folder which
is a convenience.

You mean Outlook doesn't include a *newsreader*. That's correct.

But as far as I'm concerned, there's no reason why we should choose to
use a program that has multiple functions. It's best to use the
program that's best in each regard. I use Forte Agent 6.0 as my
newsreader, but although it also contains e-mail capability, I don't
use it for that, since I greatly prefer Outlook for e-mail.

As far as I'm concerned we should be able to use what we like best but MS
will not allow us to have OE or WM. MS will not allow other websites to
supply us either. Why? What would it cost MS? Nothing! So those of us
happy with OE or WM are forced to use an email/news client we don't like and
try to find ways to get WM onto our W-7 PCs.

 

[Valorie *~~]

"The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'"

 

[Valorie *~]

I don't think it's a case of anyone having 'trouble' with web based
email. It's more a case that web based email is extremely clumsy,
slow, and cumbersome compared to a proper email client.

Imagine checking into 6 web based accounts?!?!?! The horror........ :-O

 

[Valorie *~]

Exactly right! The only people for whom it's not "extremely clumsy,
slow, and cumbersome" are those who get very little e-mail.

And have only 1 account.

 

[Valorie *~]

"Valorie *~~" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de groupe
de discussion : (e-mail address removed)-privat.org...

(aioe required brevity snipped)

Well, according to the " source " of your posts, you are using Microsoft
Windows Mail
" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 "

I also notice that you use " x-privat.org ", so contact the support team
of that
organization at http://www.x-privat.org

Also note that the smtp address is dealing with the mail system...( also
posting
of newsgroups )

Correct me if I am wrong.

I'm not using WLM to post here. I'm on the older Vista PC. We got WLM
working OK but neither of us like it.

 

[Peter Foldes]

Valorie

Geeeez lady stop complaining and read the below if it makes you happy then implement

http://www.oehelp.com/OEnWin7.aspx



--
Peter
Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
http://www.microsoft.com/protect

 

[Nil]

That's then yet another reason WLM wont work here for us. The few
times we tried adding other user accounts on PCs there were
problems. I don't want that headache again.

I have three different accounts set up in WLM.

There is no log-on when I open WLM. It just opens and starts
downloading the email.

If you don't like that behavior, turn off the option to Include This
Account When Receiving Mail or Syncronizing. It's under your control.

 

[Nil]

I can't move the files because even as the Amin it says I need
permission.

What files? Why the deep dark secret?

 

[Ken Blake]

If there's nothing better out there that they like - yes. MS could easily
have OE or WM online for us to download if we choose. It wouldn't cost them
a dime.

You

And what if they can't find another client they like? Why not have OE and
WM available on the MS website? Let those with W-7 chose which one they
want? Why is MS making those programs unavailable?

As I've said before, Windows Mail is simply a newer version of Outlook
Express, with a different name. And Windows Live Mail is a newer
version. So Microsoft *does* have it available for free download.

 

[Char Jackson]

There are a few that need a different persona.

That didn't answer my question, but that's OK. You'll eventually
figure it out.

 

[Alex Clayton]

I updated TB and yes, I can add second NSP accounts now.
Unfortunately I don't like Thunderbird.

Maybe try the other one that is made by the same people, I think, agent. I
have never tried it but many on Usenet swear by it.

 

[Alex Clayton]

(Brevity snipped)


If there's nothing better out there that they like - yes. MS could easily
have OE or WM online for us to download if we choose. It wouldn't cost
them
a dime.

Nothing you like??? If you have really tried everything suggested here I
think you are out of luck. I am far from expert but the difference for
reading Usenet between WM and WLM is very slight. OE did seem a bit
different, but now one has to use MS if they hate it that much, buy a mac.

You

Many of us HATE web based email.

I guess that one went over your head. We are still talking about OE, WM, and
WLM here not web based e-mail that seems too hard for some. I was talking
about the complaint that some builders are putting WLM on a PC before sold,
so the owner already has it. I am pretty sure if you buy one, and it is
already loaded you are not forced to use it. I am sure you can either ignore
it or completely remove it.




Again if no one makes something you like I guess you are SOL. You then have
a couple choices.
You can fall on the floor and throw a temper tantrum.
You can get on Usenet and tell the world how you You hate all news readers
and it sucks to be you.
You can learn how to write the code and invent your own.

And what if they can't find another client they like? Why not have OE and
WM available on the MS website? Let those with W-7 chose which one they
want? Why is MS making those programs unavailable?

Who knows.
"I" would have loved it if MS had left XP alone and let me chose to keep
it. I read a lot of people saying the same. They do not seem to please
everyone, and I doubt Bill really cares as what he does seems to work pretty
well. Last I heard he is still quite wealthy. Again anyone is free to
compete if they think they have a better idea.

 

[Barking]

I can't move the files because even as the Amin it says I need permission.
Of course it doesn't say how or where to get that permission. Opening
Properties there is stuff there, most grayed out and useless. How do I get
this so called "permission?"

1) What files are you moving?
2) What folder are you moving them from?
3) What folder are you moving them to?

 

[Barking]

I updated TB and yes, I can add second NSP accounts now. Unfortunately
I don't like Thunderbird.

http://mpgravity.sourceforge.net/
http://xnews.newsguy.com/

Maybe you'll like one of these, maybe not. For either of them, some time
perusing the help file is well invested.

 

[Gordon]

I downloaded Thunderbird but it has features that we don't want like only
allowing one account with an NSP when we have 2 with several of them.

Why on earth would you need more than one account with one News server
in the SAME instance of your news reader? That just does NOT make any
sense at all.