Windows 7 Questions

[Andy]

I only use Xnews as a back up, as Agent is my main newsreader.

I never used Agent as a Usenet newsreader.

Not knowing better, I always figured xNews as having the most capable
scoring and filters.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Andy

 

[Andy]

I'm still grasping the "library" feature.

I know what it is by Photoshop's library feature, I just can't wrap my
brain around an OS file library.

I'm familiar with aliases. Maybe the mechanism/implentation is causeing
me increased confusion.

And I've been 'puting since 196, instant messaging back then, between
schools, too!!!

We had paper printout terminals with IBM APL/360 golfballs and hand
dialed/coupled phone to modem connect back in 6th grade.

By no surprise, I'm PO'd that I've slipped behind the times.

You youngsters!

Back in the early 1980's I handled 5mB Winchester 6-level hard, 2,000rpm
disk drives for the Data General refrigerator-sized "mini" mainframes.

Before floppy disks!!!

Andy

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, Andy.

RC,

Also, explain, if you can, is Windows Live Mail a standalone emailer or a
web/online email version like fetching hotmail?

Yes, it is a standalone mail/news application. (It is like OE, except that
it is not integral to the OS.)

Yes, it can handle Hotmail accounts - and IMAP - but the only protocols I
know about are POP3/SMTP and NNTP.

I haven't done homework on Windows Live yet.

Go to download.live.com and have a good look.

All this new nomenclature... DAMMIT!

Agreed! The Microsoft application-naming crew has created far too much
unnecessary confusion!

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, again, Andy.

I'm still grasping the "library" feature.

I know what it is by Photoshop's library feature, I just can't wrap my
brain around an OS file library.

Me, too. I KNOW where I have put my files. I put them into specific
folders (directories) on specific volumes (partitions and logical drives) on
specific HDDs because that's where my mind thinks they should be. And
that's where I look for them when I need them. The "libraries" concept says
I shouldn't worry about where they are; just click on what I want and
Windows will find it for me. But when I want a specific photo that I know
is in M:\Adobe\ChrisPix, I don't want to have to wander through Libraries or
even My Pictures to try to find it, because I already know where I put it.

I'm familiar with aliases. Maybe the mechanism/implentation is causeing
me increased confusion.

I think it's good for newbies who don't really understand partitions,
directories, file systems, etc. - and don't want to have to learn about
them. But for those of us who learned all that years ago, it's confusing.

And I've been 'puting since 196, instant messaging back then, between
schools, too!!!

We had paper printout terminals with IBM APL/360 golfballs and hand
dialed/coupled phone to modem connect back in 6th grade.

In college in the 1950's, we didn't have computers, we had "IBM Machines".
These were the "tabulating machines" that used 80-column punched cards. My
first computer was the original TRS-80 in 1977. I started with music
cassette storage and got a 5 1/4" floppy disk the next summer.

By no surprise, I'm PO'd that I've slipped behind the times.

I figure that I started up this learning curve the day I was born and I
expect to keep climbing it until the day I die. Learning new stuff is still
FUN! ;<)

You youngsters!

Back in the early 1980's I handled 5mB Winchester 6-level hard, 2,000rpm
disk drives for the Data General refrigerator-sized "mini" mainframes.

Before floppy disks!!!

In the late 1970's, our CPA firm got the large-desk-size IBM Model 32
mini-computer. It used 8" floppy diskettes, but I never had a chance to use
them or or learn much about them. We had to hire an operator to run it.

The first hard disk I saw for a PC was a 5 MB drive for a TRS-80 Model II in
about 1983. It was about the size of the original Compaq computer.

Andy

OK, enough reminiscing for today. We're probably boring those youngsters.
;<)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

 

[Andy]

Hi, again, Andy.



Me, too. I KNOW where I have put my files. I put them into specific
folders (directories) on specific volumes (partitions and logical
drives) on specific HDDs because that's where my mind thinks they
should be. And that's where I look for them when I need them. The
"libraries" concept says I shouldn't worry about where they are; just
click on what I want and Windows will find it for me. But when I want
a specific photo that I know is in M:\Adobe\ChrisPix, I don't want to
have to wander through Libraries or even My Pictures to try to find
it, because I already know where I put it.


I think it's good for newbies who don't really understand partitions,
directories, file systems, etc. - and don't want to have to learn
about them. But for those of us who learned all that years ago, it's
confusing.


In college in the 1950's, we didn't have computers, we had "IBM
Machines". These were the "tabulating machines" that used 80-column
punched cards. My first computer was the original TRS-80 in 1977. I
started with music cassette storage and got a 5 1/4" floppy disk the
next summer.

RC,

Ahhh, the good old Hollarith cards! BTW, I wasn't 'puting until 1969!
OOPS!

We had to program using them at UCLA. I'll never forget passing the
class. I took the shoebox of carefully index card separated programs and
tossing the entire thing into the air and let them flutter around. What
a great stress relief!!! LOLOL!!!

Best,

Andy

I figure that I started up this learning curve the day I was born and
I expect to keep climbing it until the day I die. Learning new stuff
is still FUN! ;<)



In the late 1970's, our CPA firm got the large-desk-size IBM Model 32
mini-computer. It used 8" floppy diskettes, but I never had a chance
to use them or or learn much about them. We had to hire an operator
to run it.

The first hard disk I saw for a PC was a 5 MB drive for a TRS-80 Model
II in about 1983. It was about the size of the original Compaq
computer.


OK, enough reminiscing for today. We're probably boring those
youngsters. ;<)

RC

Thanks for sharing the magic!

[waving]

Andy

 

[Timothy Daniels]

Ahhh, the good old Hollarith cards! BTW, I wasn't 'puting
until 1969!
OOPS!

We had to program using them at UCLA....

Yeah, and those cards were dispensed out of vending
machines outside the program submission window in
Boelter Hall. I remember having to write tight FORTRAN
code to fit the programs onto my budget-limited pack of
cards. I remember taking the FORTRAN course from a
Vietnamese grad student named "Tran" that year. That was
just about the time that ARPA research started at UCLA
and at other universities to give rise to the ARPAnet and
then the Internet.

*TimDaniels*

 

[Gordon]

No, but you can always use Google groups :-(

And get blocked by many newsreader-using regulars.....

 

[Gordon]

Agreed! The Microsoft application-naming crew has created far too much
unnecessary confusion!

At least the confusion between Outlook Express and Outlook is diminishing
rapidly with the demise of XP....

 

[Alex Clayton]

And get blocked by many newsreader-using regulars.....

I still have a Google Groups account I had not used in years. Logged in and
checked and it shows no such group still. I guess they are not yet archiving
or supporting this group.

 

[Gordon]

Part of the global strategy against freedom in the internet. Usenet allows
to post and download anonymously. They don't like that. Instead, they want
you to use use WLM,

Eh? What rubbish. Windows Live Mail is an email client/News reader just like
Thunderbird. How does that compromise your anonymity in Usenet?

 

[Geordie]

I still have a Google Groups account I had not used in years. Logged in and
checked and it shows no such group still. I guess they are not yet archiving
or supporting this group.

It would appear that this group has been incorrectly set up as there
is no proper control message, therefore, most NNTP servers are seeing
it.

 

[Geordie]

It would appear that this group has been incorrectly set up as there
is no proper control message, therefore, most NNTP servers are seeing
it.

Hmmm, that should be *NOT* seeing it.

 

[Daave]

I still have a Google Groups account I had not used in years. Logged
in and checked and it shows no such group still. I guess they are not
yet archiving or supporting this group.

Not that I'm recommending it, but there are *tons* of other Web
interfaces to Usenet. Here's one that is carrying this newsgroup:

http://www.w7forums.com/alt-windows7-general-f28.html

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, Daave.

Yes, but that's another FORUM! Microsoft offers FORUMS! We don't need no
steekin' FORUMS! What we are looking for is Windows 7 NEWSGROUPS!

And, besides, like all the other FORUMS, it just leeches (or "slurps") posts
from here. :>(

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

 

[Gordon]

Hi, Daave.

Yes, but that's another FORUM! Microsoft offers FORUMS! We don't need no
steekin' FORUMS! What we are looking for is Windows 7 NEWSGROUPS!

Well MS ain't gonna give us newsgroups for Win 7 it seems, mainly because of
the CRAP posted by idiots on both sides in the Vista general newsgroup...

 

[Daave]

The rest of that site is indeed a Web forum, but the link I posted is to
this very newsgroup. Look again.

In fact, here is this very thread:

http://www.w7forums.com/windows-7-questions-t1867.html

At the time I am replying, our posts appear on page 4 of the thread.

So, it shouldn't be long until Google Groups also has this
alt.windows7.general newgroup.

What ticks me off is Microsoft not starting any Windows 7-specific
groups. Oh, well...

 

[Leythos]

What ticks me off is Microsoft not starting any Windows 7-specific
groups. Oh, well...

There was Usenet for a Decade before MS even found the internet, we
don't really need MS created/owned groups to continue.