Vuescan and missing scanner driver

Discussion in 'alt.windows7.general' started by Stan Brown, Jan 8, 2011.

  1. Stan Brown

    Stan Brown Guest

    Back in October I asked for help because Canon does not have a Win 7
    driver for my LiDE 50 scanner. One suggestion given was to install
    Vuescan; another was to install a Windows XP virtual machine and run
    the scanner in it. The latter suggestion worked, as I reported after
    trying it.

    Today I thought it would be nice to be able to scan without opening a
    virtual machine, so I installed Vuescan as Chuck had suggested.
    Apparently he was under a misapprehension. Vuescan does not work
    unless it can use the scanner manufacturer's drivers, so it is
    useless for my situation. I confirmed this in email exchanges with
    the program author, Ed Hamrick, who was prompt and courteous.

    I'm posting here for the benefit of others who might upgrade to
    Windows 7 and think that Vuescan can handle their scanner without
    drivers. (The program's compatibility list does encourage that
    impression, and I've suggested to Ed that he might want to make it
    more clear that manufacturer's drivers are required with Vuescan.)


    --
    Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
    http://OakRoadSystems.com
    Shikata ga nai...
    Stan Brown, Jan 8, 2011
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  2. Stan Brown

    Ken Blake Guest

    On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 16:58:32 -0500, Stan Brown
    <> wrote:

    > Back in October I asked for help because Canon does not have a Win 7
    > driver for my LiDE 50 scanner. One suggestion given was to install
    > Vuescan; another was to install a Windows XP virtual machine and run
    > the scanner in it. The latter suggestion worked, as I reported after
    > trying it.
    >
    > Today I thought it would be nice to be able to scan without opening a
    > virtual machine, so I installed Vuescan as Chuck had suggested.
    > Apparently he was under a misapprehension. Vuescan does not work
    > unless it can use the scanner manufacturer's drivers, so it is
    > useless for my situation. I confirmed this in email exchanges with
    > the program author, Ed Hamrick, who was prompt and courteous.



    You might want to try the Windows 7 driver for the LiDE 60. I can
    report that it works just fine, but I don't know whether it would work
    with an LiDE 50.




    > I'm posting here for the benefit of others who might upgrade to
    > Windows 7 and think that Vuescan can handle their scanner without
    > drivers. (The program's compatibility list does encourage that
    > impression, and I've suggested to Ed that he might want to make it
    > more clear that manufacturer's drivers are required with Vuescan.)
    >
    >
    > --
    > Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
    > http://OakRoadSystems.com
    > Shikata ga nai...
    Ken Blake, Jan 8, 2011
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  3. Stan Brown

    Fred Guest

    Stan Brown wrote:
    > Back in October I asked for help because Canon does not have a Win 7
    > driver for my LiDE 50 scanner. One suggestion given was to install
    > Vuescan; another was to install a Windows XP virtual machine and run
    > the scanner in it. The latter suggestion worked, as I reported after
    > trying it.
    >
    > Today I thought it would be nice to be able to scan without opening a
    > virtual machine, so I installed Vuescan as Chuck had suggested.
    > Apparently he was under a misapprehension. Vuescan does not work
    > unless it can use the scanner manufacturer's drivers, so it is
    > useless for my situation. I confirmed this in email exchanges with
    > the program author, Ed Hamrick, who was prompt and courteous.
    >
    > I'm posting here for the benefit of others who might upgrade to
    > Windows 7 and think that Vuescan can handle their scanner without
    > drivers. (The program's compatibility list does encourage that
    > impression, and I've suggested to Ed that he might want to make it
    > more clear that manufacturer's drivers are required with Vuescan.)




    I have a Canon Lide 30, which I have hardly used simply because I don't need
    much scanning. I have been unable to find a Canon driver suitable for this
    model on windows 7, neither can I find any freeware driver. Canon told me
    it is too old to bother updating the driver. So stuff you Canon - I've found
    their products excellent, but they are definitely off my list now.
    Fred, Jan 9, 2011
    #3
  4. Stan Brown

    Char Jackson Guest

    On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 20:21:29 +1300, "Fred" <>
    wrote:

    >I have a Canon Lide 30, which I have hardly used simply because I don't need
    >much scanning. I have been unable to find a Canon driver suitable for this
    >model on windows 7, neither can I find any freeware driver. Canon told me
    >it is too old to bother updating the driver. So stuff you Canon - I've found
    >their products excellent, but they are definitely off my list now.


    I understand your reasons for giving up on Canon scanners, but I seem
    to remember similar stories about scanners from Epson, HP, and others.
    They might all be equally bad at supporting their older, yet perfectly
    functional, hardware.

    --

    Char Jackson
    Char Jackson, Jan 9, 2011
    #4
  5. Stan Brown

    Mortimer Guest

    "Char Jackson" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 20:21:29 +1300, "Fred" <>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>I have a Canon Lide 30, which I have hardly used simply because I don't
    >>need
    >>much scanning. I have been unable to find a Canon driver suitable for this
    >>model on windows 7, neither can I find any freeware driver. Canon told me
    >>it is too old to bother updating the driver. So stuff you Canon - I've
    >>found
    >>their products excellent, but they are definitely off my list now.

    >
    > I understand your reasons for giving up on Canon scanners, but I seem
    > to remember similar stories about scanners from Epson, HP, and others.
    > They might all be equally bad at supporting their older, yet perfectly
    > functional, hardware.


    Yes I have a perfectly functional Epson 1200 PHOTO scanner that only works
    with XP: there isn't even a Vista driver for it, let alone a Windows 7
    driver.

    The attitude of equipment manufacturers is very poor when it comes to older
    equipment. If they can't be bothered to write new drivers themselves, they
    should let third party software companies and/or enthusiasts write their own
    drivers.

    Why should I have to buy a new scanner (which I bet won't be as good as the
    Epson) just because I upgrade to a new operating system. Having to maintain
    an XP PC, and go through the hassle of connecting it to keyboard,mouse,
    monitor and power supply, and going through the rigmarole of booting it up,
    is tedious.
    Mortimer, Jan 9, 2011
    #5
  6. Stan Brown

    choro Guest

    On 09/01/2011 10:55, Mortimer wrote:
    > "Char Jackson" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 20:21:29 +1300, "Fred" <>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> I have a Canon Lide 30, which I have hardly used simply because I
    >>> don't need
    >>> much scanning. I have been unable to find a Canon driver suitable for
    >>> this
    >>> model on windows 7, neither can I find any freeware driver. Canon
    >>> told me
    >>> it is too old to bother updating the driver. So stuff you Canon -
    >>> I've found
    >>> their products excellent, but they are definitely off my list now.

    >>
    >> I understand your reasons for giving up on Canon scanners, but I seem
    >> to remember similar stories about scanners from Epson, HP, and others.
    >> They might all be equally bad at supporting their older, yet perfectly
    >> functional, hardware.

    >
    > Yes I have a perfectly functional Epson 1200 PHOTO scanner that only
    > works with XP: there isn't even a Vista driver for it, let alone a
    > Windows 7 driver.
    >
    > The attitude of equipment manufacturers is very poor when it comes to
    > older equipment. If they can't be bothered to write new drivers
    > themselves, they should let third party software companies and/or
    > enthusiasts write their own drivers.
    >
    > Why should I have to buy a new scanner (which I bet won't be as good as
    > the Epson) just because I upgrade to a new operating system. Having to
    > maintain an XP PC, and go through the hassle of connecting it to
    > keyboard,mouse, monitor and power supply, and going through the
    > rigmarole of booting it up, is tedious.


    Hook both the computers to a KVM. Problem solved!

    But, yes why don't they provide support for W7?

    The answer is simple. They want more lolly from you!

    Reminds me of Cabaret, that wonderful film. Money, Money, Mo-ney...
    --
    choro
    *****
    choro, Jan 9, 2011
    #6
  7. Stan Brown

    Ken Blake Guest

    On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 20:21:29 +1300, "Fred" <>
    wrote:


    > I have a Canon Lide 30, which I have hardly used simply because I don't need
    > much scanning. I have been unable to find a Canon driver suitable for this
    > model on windows 7, neither can I find any freeware driver. Canon told me
    > it is too old to bother updating the driver. So stuff you Canon - I've found
    > their products excellent, but they are definitely off my list now.



    Bear in mind that essentially every manufacturer does the same thing.
    They don't spend the time and money it takes to create drivers for
    older equipment to run under a new version of Windows. The only real
    difference between one company and the next is what they might
    consider so old that it doesn't pay to write new drivers for it.
    Ken Blake, Jan 9, 2011
    #7
  8. Stan Brown

    Stan Brown Guest

    On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 15:13:50 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
    >
    > On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 16:58:32 -0500, Stan Brown
    > <> wrote:

    [Vuescan doesn't work without manufacturer scanner drivers, which
    don't exist for Canon LiDE 50 on Windows 7]

    > You might want to try the Windows 7 driver for the LiDE 60. I can
    > report that it works just fine, but I don't know whether it would work
    > with an LiDE 50.


    'Twas a good thought, Ken, and worth trying. Unfortunately the LiDE
    60 driver couldn't talk to the LiDE 50 scanner. When I tried to
    select a TWAIN source in Irfanview, none was available. (The scanner
    still showed as "unknown device" in Windows.)

    So I guess the virtual machine is the only solution for me -- not
    ideal, but very much better than nothing.

    --
    Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
    http://OakRoadSystems.com
    Shikata ga nai...
    Stan Brown, Jan 9, 2011
    #8
  9. Stan Brown

    Stan Brown Guest

    On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 07:46:50 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
    > Bear in mind that essentially every manufacturer does the same thing.
    > They don't spend the time and money it takes to create drivers for
    > older equipment to run under a new version of Windows. The only real
    > difference between one company and the next is what they might
    > consider so old that it doesn't pay to write new drivers for it.


    There's something to that, certainly.

    On the other hand, my Brother HL-5250DN printer is older than my
    scanner, and Brother has full Win 7 support for it, in 32-bit and 64-
    bit versions.

    I'd have been *really* ticked if my printer wouldn't work in Windows.

    --
    Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
    http://OakRoadSystems.com
    Shikata ga nai...
    Stan Brown, Jan 9, 2011
    #9
  10. Stan Brown

    Jeff Layman Guest

    On 08/01/2011 21:58, Stan Brown wrote:
    > Back in October I asked for help because Canon does not have a Win 7
    > driver for my LiDE 50 scanner. One suggestion given was to install
    > Vuescan; another was to install a Windows XP virtual machine and run
    > the scanner in it. The latter suggestion worked, as I reported after
    > trying it.
    >
    > Today I thought it would be nice to be able to scan without opening a
    > virtual machine, so I installed Vuescan as Chuck had suggested.
    > Apparently he was under a misapprehension. Vuescan does not work
    > unless it can use the scanner manufacturer's drivers, so it is
    > useless for my situation. I confirmed this in email exchanges with
    > the program author, Ed Hamrick, who was prompt and courteous.
    >
    > I'm posting here for the benefit of others who might upgrade to
    > Windows 7 and think that Vuescan can handle their scanner without
    > drivers. (The program's compatibility list does encourage that
    > impression, and I've suggested to Ed that he might want to make it
    > more clear that manufacturer's drivers are required with Vuescan.)


    I have an old Epson Perfection 2450 scanner used for many years (and
    still used) under XPH 32-bit.

    Last year I got a Win7x64 laptop. Despite much searching, I found that
    there was no 64-bit driver for the scanner. Various, somewhat
    complicated, fixes did not work, so I downloaded and installed VueScan.
    I tried it as a simple photocopier and it worked without problem.

    There are numerous references to using VueScan with a 64-bit OS when an
    original driver does not exist. For example, see:
    http://ddisoftware.com/tech/computer-software/canon-scanners-64-bit-os-and-vuescan/

    --

    Jeff
    Jeff Layman, Jan 9, 2011
    #10
  11. Stan Brown

    Ken Blake Guest

    On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 10:43:02 -0500, Stan Brown
    <> wrote:

    > On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 15:13:50 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
    > >
    > > On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 16:58:32 -0500, Stan Brown
    > > <> wrote:

    > [Vuescan doesn't work without manufacturer scanner drivers, which
    > don't exist for Canon LiDE 50 on Windows 7]
    >
    > > You might want to try the Windows 7 driver for the LiDE 60. I can
    > > report that it works just fine, but I don't know whether it would work
    > > with an LiDE 50.

    >
    > 'Twas a good thought, Ken, and worth trying. Unfortunately the LiDE
    > 60 driver couldn't talk to the LiDE 50 scanner.



    I was afraid of that.


    > When I tried to
    > select a TWAIN source in Irfanview, none was available. (The scanner
    > still showed as "unknown device" in Windows.)
    >
    > So I guess the virtual machine is the only solution for me -- not
    > ideal, but very much better than nothing.
    >
    > --
    > Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
    > http://OakRoadSystems.com
    > Shikata ga nai...
    Ken Blake, Jan 9, 2011
    #11
  12. Stan Brown

    Ken Blake Guest

    On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 10:45:12 -0500, Stan Brown
    <> wrote:

    > On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 07:46:50 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
    > > Bear in mind that essentially every manufacturer does the same thing.
    > > They don't spend the time and money it takes to create drivers for
    > > older equipment to run under a new version of Windows. The only real
    > > difference between one company and the next is what they might
    > > consider so old that it doesn't pay to write new drivers for it.

    >
    > There's something to that, certainly.
    >
    > On the other hand, my Brother HL-5250DN printer is older than my
    > scanner, and Brother has full Win 7 support for it, in 32-bit and 64-
    > bit versions.



    Yep, as I said, "the only real difference between one company and the
    next is what they might consider so old that it doesn't pay to write
    new drivers for it."


    > I'd have been *really* ticked if my printer wouldn't work in Windows.



    My standard advice to anyone contemplating a Windows update (Windows 7
    or any other version) is to *first* find out what drivers are not
    available, and therefore what hardware you will have to replace.

    Here's my canned post on the subject:

    "Whenever you change to a new version of Windows, you need to install
    drivers (software that provides the interface between the hardware and
    Windows) for printers, scanners, video cards, etc., that have been
    written for that new version of Windows. And also note that you need
    different drivers for a 32-bit version of Windows and a 64-bit
    version.

    It's up to the manufacturer of the hardware to write and make
    available for download those drivers. Especially if your hardware is
    older, it may well be that the manufacturer has decided that it's not
    worth his time and effort to develop drivers for hardware that he is
    no longer selling.

    Check with the manufacturer or on their web site to see if a driver
    exists. If it doesn't, you're out of luck.

    So in the future, before you do such an upgrade, be sure that you've
    done the appropriate research to find out what drivers don't exist,
    and therefore what hardware you will have to replace if you upgrade."
    Ken Blake, Jan 9, 2011
    #12
  13. Stan Brown

    Char Jackson Guest

    On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 11:29:57 -0700, Ken Blake <>
    wrote:

    >It's up to the manufacturer of the hardware to write and make
    >available for download those drivers. Especially if your hardware is
    >older, it may well be that the manufacturer has decided that it's not
    >worth his time and effort to develop drivers for hardware that he is
    >no longer selling.
    >
    >Check with the manufacturer or on their web site to see if a driver
    >exists. If it doesn't, you're out of luck.


    An additional tip is to check the manufacturer's web sites in other
    countries. Sometimes a newer driver or firmware is available
    elsewhere.

    --

    Char Jackson
    Char Jackson, Jan 9, 2011
    #13
  14. Stan Brown

    Char Jackson Guest

    On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 16:29:17 +0000, Jeff Layman
    <> wrote:

    >> I'm posting here for the benefit of others who might upgrade to
    >> Windows 7 and think that Vuescan can handle their scanner without
    >> drivers. (The program's compatibility list does encourage that
    >> impression, and I've suggested to Ed that he might want to make it
    >> more clear that manufacturer's drivers are required with Vuescan.)

    >
    >Last year I got a Win7x64 laptop. Despite much searching, I found that
    >there was no 64-bit driver for the scanner. Various, somewhat
    >complicated, fixes did not work, so I downloaded and installed VueScan.
    >I tried it as a simple photocopier and it worked without problem.


    What should we, the poor readers, learn here? One post says Vuescan
    doesn't work by itself and needs a proper driver, while the next post
    says Vuescan works without a driver.

    --

    Char Jackson
    Char Jackson, Jan 9, 2011
    #14
  15. Stan Brown

    Ken Blake Guest

    On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 12:58:32 -0600, Char Jackson <>
    wrote:

    > On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 11:29:57 -0700, Ken Blake <>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >It's up to the manufacturer of the hardware to write and make
    > >available for download those drivers. Especially if your hardware is
    > >older, it may well be that the manufacturer has decided that it's not
    > >worth his time and effort to develop drivers for hardware that he is
    > >no longer selling.
    > >
    > >Check with the manufacturer or on their web site to see if a driver
    > >exists. If it doesn't, you're out of luck.

    >
    > An additional tip is to check the manufacturer's web sites in other
    > countries. Sometimes a newer driver or firmware is available
    > elsewhere.



    Yes, thanks--a good point. I had that experience once with a scanner
    and Windows Vista (I think it was Vista). There was no driver for it
    in the US, but I found one on the manufacturer's UK web site.

    I've modified my canned reply to make that suggestion.
    Ken Blake, Jan 9, 2011
    #15
  16. Stan Brown

    Ken Blake Guest

    On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 12:10:44 -0700, Ken Blake <>
    wrote:

    > On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 12:58:32 -0600, Char Jackson <>
    > wrote:


    > > An additional tip is to check the manufacturer's web sites in other
    > > countries. Sometimes a newer driver or firmware is available
    > > elsewhere.

    >
    >
    > Yes, thanks--a good point. I had that experience once with a scanner
    > and Windows Vista (I think it was Vista). There was no driver for it
    > in the US, but I found one on the manufacturer's UK web site.
    >
    > I've modified my canned reply to make that suggestion.



    I couldn't remember the brand of scanner when I wrote the above, but I
    just remembered. It was UMAX.
    Ken Blake, Jan 9, 2011
    #16
  17. Stan Brown

    Bob Henson Guest

    Char Jackson wrote:

    > On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 16:29:17 +0000, Jeff Layman
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >>> I'm posting here for the benefit of others who might upgrade to
    >>> Windows 7 and think that Vuescan can handle their scanner without
    >>> drivers. (The program's compatibility list does encourage that
    >>> impression, and I've suggested to Ed that he might want to make it
    >>> more clear that manufacturer's drivers are required with Vuescan.)

    >>
    >>Last year I got a Win7x64 laptop. Despite much searching, I found that
    >>there was no 64-bit driver for the scanner. Various, somewhat
    >>complicated, fixes did not work, so I downloaded and installed VueScan.
    >>I tried it as a simple photocopier and it worked without problem.

    >
    > What should we, the poor readers, learn here? One post says Vuescan
    > doesn't work by itself and needs a proper driver, while the next post
    > says Vuescan works without a driver.


    I wondered the same myself - however, I had a look at their website, and
    since you can buy a new scanner for not much more than the software, I
    decided it didn't matter whether it worked or not.

    --
    Regards, Bob

    Heaven is where the police are British, the mechanics German, the cooks are
    French, the lovers Italian, and all is organized by the Swiss.
    Hell is where the police are German, the mechanics are French, the cooks
    are British, the lovers are Swiss, and it's all organized by the Italians!
    Bob Henson, Jan 9, 2011
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  18. Stan Brown

    Bob I Guest

    On 1/9/2011 12:58, Char Jackson wrote:
    > On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 11:29:57 -0700, Ken Blake<>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> It's up to the manufacturer of the hardware to write and make
    >> available for download those drivers. Especially if your hardware is
    >> older, it may well be that the manufacturer has decided that it's not
    >> worth his time and effort to develop drivers for hardware that he is
    >> no longer selling.
    >>
    >> Check with the manufacturer or on their web site to see if a driver
    >> exists. If it doesn't, you're out of luck.

    >
    > An additional tip is to check the manufacturer's web sites in other
    > countries. Sometimes a newer driver or firmware is available
    > elsewhere.
    >


    And in addition to that, check to see if the "real" manufacturer of the
    hardware wrote a driver for the underlying model (for example see
    Samsung VS Dell)
    Bob I, Jan 10, 2011
    #18
  19. Stan Brown

    Paul Guest

    Stan Brown wrote:
    > On Sat, 08 Jan 2011 15:13:50 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
    >> On Sat, 8 Jan 2011 16:58:32 -0500, Stan Brown
    >> <> wrote:

    > [Vuescan doesn't work without manufacturer scanner drivers, which
    > don't exist for Canon LiDE 50 on Windows 7]
    >
    >> You might want to try the Windows 7 driver for the LiDE 60. I can
    >> report that it works just fine, but I don't know whether it would work
    >> with an LiDE 50.

    >
    > 'Twas a good thought, Ken, and worth trying. Unfortunately the LiDE
    > 60 driver couldn't talk to the LiDE 50 scanner. When I tried to
    > select a TWAIN source in Irfanview, none was available. (The scanner
    > still showed as "unknown device" in Windows.)
    >
    > So I guess the virtual machine is the only solution for me -- not
    > ideal, but very much better than nothing.
    >


    Did you have a look around ? There is a report of someone using a
    60 driver for the 50 here. This is Vista, but something similar
    might work on Windows 7.

    http://www.vistax64.com/drivers/96827-canon-lide-50-a.html

    You can get USB ID info here, for comparison to the contents of
    the INF file. In Linux, they're controlled by the same driver,
    but that doesn't mean too much. What the Linux driver choice suggests,
    is that both units use a Genesys branded scanner chip inside. Many
    scanners are controlled by a single chip, which is why you can find
    scanners for so cheap.

    http://www.sane-project.org/cgi-bin/driver.pl?manu=canon&model=lide 25&bus=any&v=&p=

    Paul
    Paul, Jan 10, 2011
    #19
  20. Stan Brown

    Guest

    On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 03:36:14 -0600, Char Jackson
    <> wrote:

    >On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 20:21:29 +1300, "Fred" <>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>I have a Canon Lide 30, which I have hardly used simply because I don't need
    >>much scanning. I have been unable to find a Canon driver suitable for this
    >>model on windows 7, neither can I find any freeware driver. Canon told me
    >>it is too old to bother updating the driver. So stuff you Canon - I've found
    >>their products excellent, but they are definitely off my list now.

    >
    >I understand your reasons for giving up on Canon scanners, but I seem
    >to remember similar stories about scanners from Epson, HP, and others.
    >They might all be equally bad at supporting their older, yet perfectly
    >functional, hardware.


    I've a Canon LiDE 25 which works fine under win7/32.

    As far as I can recall the ScanGear CS driver files came on the
    Windows DVD but I see they are available on the Canon web site.

    So are the LiDE 30 Scanner Drivers for Windows Vista32 and the
    CanoScan Toolbox Ver. 4.1.3.6 for Windows Vista32 is listed under
    LiDE50. Worth trying with Win7/32 but no good for Win7/64.

    Pete
    , Jan 10, 2011
    #20
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