SkyDrive Perspective

Discussion in 'alt.windows7.general' started by BeeJ, Mar 18, 2012.

  1. BeeJ

    BeeJ Guest

    I would like this group's perspective of SkyDrive.
    Probably too biased in more directly related newsgroups.
    i.e. what all is it? do I want to use it? dangers? real advantages?
    limitations? etc.
     
    BeeJ, Mar 18, 2012
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  2. BeeJ

    Ken Springer Guest

    On 3/18/12 8:53 AM, BeeJ wrote:
    > I would like this group's perspective of SkyDrive.
    > Probably too biased in more directly related newsgroups.
    > i.e. what all is it? do I want to use it? dangers? real advantages?
    > limitations? etc.


    I have no specific comments as to SkyDrive, but the idea of cloud
    storage to me is a bad idea for important documents and data. I.E.,
    your social security number, tax returns, corporate documents and data, etc.

    With the difficulty of maintaining computer security, why would you
    place your data in the hands of others? That is abrogating your
    responsibility of protecting your data.

    If your information gets stolen from an offsite location, it's not the
    sole responsibility of that location for the problem, the majority if
    not all of the responsibility for that belongs to the person(s) who put
    the data there. If the data is not on the offsite location, it won't
    get stolen from that location.

    There are lots of offsite storage locations, Dropbox, Apple's iDisk
    which is now iCloud, and a slew of others
    (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_hosting_services),
    this sounds to me like MS just wanting to jump on the bandwagon. I
    could be wrong, as obviously I've no desire to make a big use of this.

    Obviously, I'm a Mac user, primarily. I do have XP Pro, Vista Ultimate,
    and Win 7 Home. I never used iDisk (now iCloud) or MobileMe.

    But, I will own up to a Dropbox account, which I use for just one
    purpose. As noted on the SkyDrive site, when I have a lot of photos I
    want to share with a lot of people, I create a Dropbox location, that is
    not publicly shared, and send the link rather than sending the photos to
    clog up my friends' hard drives.

    For the same security reasons, I won't use an online backup service like
    Carbonite. (Carbonite is just an example, since it's the only one I
    know of due to their recent commercials on television.)

    I do my backups locally, using Time Machine which comes with OS X. That
    is not an endorsement of Time Machine over others, I've not taken the
    time to investigate other backup software, just using it because it is
    immediately available to me. And if I had the secrets of the universe
    and life on that hard drive, all I have to do is disconnect it, and no
    one has access to it. And if I really want those files and data
    protected to the max, I'd have it on a computer that is not regularly
    connected to the internet.

    On any of my computers, I don't even store my data on the root drive
    with the OS.

    --
    Ken

    Mac OS X 10.6.8
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    Ken Springer, Mar 18, 2012
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  3. BeeJ

    XS11E Guest

    BeeJ <> wrote:

    > I would like this group's perspective of SkyDrive.


    I don't trust any cloud storage. One reason is security and the other,
    equally important, is that we've already seen cloud storage sites shut
    down, some with little or no provision for users to recover the lost
    data. In the long run every cloud storage site WILL shutdown or crash
    and lose all the stored data. Whether that shutdown or crash occurs
    in the next week or 10,000 years from now makes a huge difference but
    my crystal ball is broken and I'm not going to gamble any data on
    picking a cloud storage site that will last as long as I want it to
    last.

    http://www.ittechnewsdaily.com/168-cloud-data-storage-problems.html

    Of course, the problem is avoided by keeping adequate backups of any
    data stored "in the cloud" but what's the advantage of cloud storage if
    you still have to archive all your data?

    --
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    XS11E, Mar 18, 2012
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  4. BeeJ wrote:
    > I would like this group's perspective of SkyDrive. Probably too
    > biased in more directly related newsgroups. i.e. what all is it? do I
    > want to use it? dangers? real advantages? limitations? etc.


    I think I am prejudiced by my PC experience. When I started, the PC was
    a standalone desktop appliance to which one added applications as
    needed. There was no internet. When the internet arrived, it was just
    another tool for my desktop. My home computer remains the core of my
    computer life, and that is where I want to keep all my computer stuff. A
    more recent PC user may view the PC as little more than an internet
    tool, rather than the other way around, and have a completely different
    attitude about storage, but I won't be putting my stuff in a cloud.
    --
    Crash

    "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
    ~ Samuel Johnson ~
     
    Dave \Crash\ Dummy, Mar 18, 2012
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  5. BeeJ

    pjp Guest

    In article <jk4ssn$i6a$>, says...
    >
    > I would like this group's perspective of SkyDrive.
    > Probably too biased in more directly related newsgroups.
    > i.e. what all is it? do I want to use it? dangers? real advantages?
    > limitations? etc.


    There'll be all kinds of comments about the technology, is it safe etc.
    but to my mind the biggest reason to NOT USE IT is simply it's under US
    legal jurisdiction which in todays world means you have next to no
    exercisable rights if/when the US government wants to take a look. It
    doesn't matter if you're not a US citizen and have connected somewhere
    else in the world or any other reason. They just have to say "national
    security" and they are "god" (lower case on purpose). It a clear case of
    "absolute power currpts absolutely".

    Jeez, I'll never again even visit the US because of all the BS crossing
    the Canadian border. They can demand to look in my laptop, what next
    have to take a lie detector test, a scope up my anus? Not in this
    lifetime!
     
    pjp, Mar 18, 2012
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  6. BeeJ

    ...winston Guest

    SkyDrive is available to any Live ID:

    First some background about a Live ID
    1. All Live ID's are email addresses
    2. All Hotmail type accounts (Hotmail.com, Live.com, Msn.com and other
    country domain of the same form are Live IDs
    3. 3rd Party email addresess (e.g. *.yahoo.com, gmail.com, yourisp.com, etc)
    can be registered as a Live ID
    4. With Windows 8 all Microsoft Accounts are Live ID's and of the above form
    (2 or 3) and provide a SkyDrive
    - A Microsoft account is a Live ID with the ability to have a billing
    relationship with MSFT (i.e. in Win8 terms 'purchasing apps or content
    similar to iTunes or Apple's app store)
    5. All XBox Live accounts are Live ID's

    Each Live ID comes with a 25GB SkyDrive for online storage for storing
    files, photos, music.

    SkyDrive also provides access to MSFT's online Office Apps (Excel, Word,
    Powerpoint, OneNote) without the need of a locally installed Office
    application.

    SkyDrive allows one to share files and/or folders by a variety of means:
    - Public (Everyone)
    - Send an email requiring the recipient to signon with their Live ID
    - Send and email without requiring a Live ID signon
    - Obtain a view only link and provide it to others
    - Obtain a view and edit link and provide it to others
    - Post a Link to Facebook, LinkedIn, or MySpace

    Public automatically makes it available to your Live Messenger contacts and
    any other social service (e.g. Facebook) that Messenger is socially
    connected to.

    Here's a few simple samples created solely for illustration
    1. View only picture - http://goo.gl/9qvLq
    2. View only Word doc - http://goo.gl/TjAII

    As with any online cloud storage, the danger is using it with ignorance and
    using it for something that you shouldn't.


    --
    ....winston
    msft mvp mail


    "BeeJ" wrote in message news:jk4ssn$i6a$...

    I would like this group's perspective of SkyDrive.
    Probably too biased in more directly related newsgroups.
    i.e. what all is it? do I want to use it? dangers? real advantages?
    limitations? etc.
     
    ...winston, Mar 19, 2012
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  7. BeeJ

    Steve Hayes Guest

    On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 23:40:13 -0400, "...winston" <> wrote:

    >SkyDrive is available to any Live ID:
    >
    >First some background about a Live ID
    >1. All Live ID's are email addresses
    >2. All Hotmail type accounts (Hotmail.com, Live.com, Msn.com and other
    >country domain of the same form are Live IDs
    >3. 3rd Party email addresess (e.g. *.yahoo.com, gmail.com, yourisp.com, etc)
    >can be registered as a Live ID
    >4. With Windows 8 all Microsoft Accounts are Live ID's and of the above form
    >(2 or 3) and provide a SkyDrive
    >- A Microsoft account is a Live ID with the ability to have a billing
    >relationship with MSFT (i.e. in Win8 terms 'purchasing apps or content
    >similar to iTunes or Apple's app store)
    >5. All XBox Live accounts are Live ID's
    >
    >Each Live ID comes with a 25GB SkyDrive for online storage for storing
    >files, photos, music.


    And, according to the Terms and Conditions, an account may be terminated at
    any time without notice and without reasons being given.

    So if you back up any important stuff there, don't count on it being there
    when you need it.


    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
     
    Steve Hayes, Mar 19, 2012
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  8. BeeJ

    ...winston Guest

    If you're planning to violate the TOS it would be prudent not to store
    anything important.

    Not much different than any isp's or online provider TOS either.


    --
    ....winston
    msft mvp mail


    "Steve Hayes" wrote in message
    news:...

    On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 23:40:13 -0400, "...winston" <>
    wrote:

    >SkyDrive is available to any Live ID:
    >
    >First some background about a Live ID
    >1. All Live ID's are email addresses
    >2. All Hotmail type accounts (Hotmail.com, Live.com, Msn.com and other
    >country domain of the same form are Live IDs
    >3. 3rd Party email addresess (e.g. *.yahoo.com, gmail.com, yourisp.com,
    >etc)
    >can be registered as a Live ID
    >4. With Windows 8 all Microsoft Accounts are Live ID's and of the above
    >form
    >(2 or 3) and provide a SkyDrive
    >- A Microsoft account is a Live ID with the ability to have a billing
    >relationship with MSFT (i.e. in Win8 terms 'purchasing apps or content
    >similar to iTunes or Apple's app store)
    >5. All XBox Live accounts are Live ID's
    >
    >Each Live ID comes with a 25GB SkyDrive for online storage for storing
    >files, photos, music.


    And, according to the Terms and Conditions, an account may be terminated at
    any time without notice and without reasons being given.

    So if you back up any important stuff there, don't count on it being there
    when you need it.


    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
     
    ...winston, Mar 19, 2012
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  9. BeeJ

    Muad'Dib Guest

    On 03/18/2012 12:36 PM, XS11E wrote:
    > BeeJ<> wrote:
    >
    >> I would like this group's perspective of SkyDrive.

    >
    > I don't trust any cloud storage. One reason is security and the other,
    > equally important, is that we've already seen cloud storage sites shut
    > down, some with little or no provision for users to recover the lost
    > data. In the long run every cloud storage site WILL shutdown or crash
    > and lose all the stored data. Whether that shutdown or crash occurs
    > in the next week or 10,000 years from now makes a huge difference but
    > my crystal ball is broken and I'm not going to gamble any data on
    > picking a cloud storage site that will last as long as I want it to
    > last.
    >
    > http://www.ittechnewsdaily.com/168-cloud-data-storage-problems.html
    >
    > Of course, the problem is avoided by keeping adequate backups of any
    > data stored "in the cloud" but what's the advantage of cloud storage if
    > you still have to archive all your data?
    >


    One advantage actively advertised is the ability to access your files
    from any computer around the world, and share files you choose to share.
    With home file servers, IE Western Digital My Book Live etc, you have
    your OWN personal cloud accessible from anywhere in the world and have
    control of it. I see no need to entrust my files on some server
    somewhere that hopes to keep them safe. Backup, backup, backup, one
    should not trust even their own server and put all their files only on
    it, as if it crashes, you are still screwed. That's just live in the
    digital world, gotta backup the backups and still hope something doesn't
    go wrong. Fire? Screwed Flood? Screwed Theft? Screwed ..And so on.

    G'day
     
    Muad'Dib, Mar 19, 2012
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  10. BeeJ

    Muad'Dib Guest

    On 03/18/2012 03:07 PM, pjp wrote:
    > In article<jk4ssn$i6a$>, says...
    >>
    >> I would like this group's perspective of SkyDrive.
    >> Probably too biased in more directly related newsgroups.
    >> i.e. what all is it? do I want to use it? dangers? real advantages?
    >> limitations? etc.

    >
    > There'll be all kinds of comments about the technology, is it safe etc.
    > but to my mind the biggest reason to NOT USE IT is simply it's under US
    > legal jurisdiction which in todays world means you have next to no
    > exercisable rights if/when the US government wants to take a look. It
    > doesn't matter if you're not a US citizen and have connected somewhere
    > else in the world or any other reason. They just have to say "national
    > security" and they are "god" (lower case on purpose). It a clear case of
    > "absolute power currpts absolutely".
    >
    > Jeez, I'll never again even visit the US because of all the BS crossing
    > the Canadian border. They can demand to look in my laptop, what next
    > have to take a lie detector test, a scope up my anus? Not in this
    > lifetime!



    Um, well, think again about never visiting because of US security. A
    relative of mine went to your country a couple weeks ago, yep pretty
    much got a strip search before he could enter, so he is feeling the same
    way as you about ever returning. Goes both ways pal. Sad, but that is
    the way things have become.

    G'day
     
    Muad'Dib, Mar 19, 2012
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  11. BeeJ

    Steve Hayes Guest

    On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 04:54:56 -0400, "...winston" <> wrote:

    >If you're planning to violate the TOS it would be prudent not to store
    >anything important.


    Or even if you're not planning to do that. Violation of the TOS is not the
    only reason they can terminate your serivce. They can do to at any time, for
    any reason, without informing you beforehand.

    >Not much different than any isp's or online provider TOS either.

    So if you're planning to use one for backup, use two or three.


    --
    Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
    Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
    E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
     
    Steve Hayes, Mar 19, 2012
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  12. BeeJ

    Rob Guest

    On 19/03/2012 16:56, Steve Hayes wrote:
    > On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 04:54:56 -0400, "...winston"<> wrote:
    >
    >> If you're planning to violate the TOS it would be prudent not to store
    >> anything important.

    >
    > Or even if you're not planning to do that. Violation of the TOS is not the
    > only reason they can terminate your serivce. They can do to at any time, for
    > any reason, without informing you beforehand.
    >
    >> Not much different than any isp's or online provider TOS either.

    > So if you're planning to use one for backup, use two or three.
    >


    I agree, effectively you MUST make you own cloud.
    What we are being sold labelled as "cloud computing" is snake oil.
    Unless a cloud solution involves several unrelated companies so
    that if any of them go out of business or their systems fail
    (common), it is not a 'cloud' in any sense that is actually
    useful to us. Experienced users will never put all of their
    eggs in one basket, so this 'cloud' is nothing but marketing hype.
    --
    Rob
     
    Rob, Mar 20, 2012
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  13. On 3/20/2012 6:59 AM, Rob wrote:
    > On 19/03/2012 16:56, Steve Hayes wrote:
    >> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 04:54:56 -0400, "...winston"<>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> If you're planning to violate the TOS it would be prudent not to store
    >>> anything important.

    >>
    >> Or even if you're not planning to do that. Violation of the TOS is not
    >> the
    >> only reason they can terminate your serivce. They can do to at any
    >> time, for
    >> any reason, without informing you beforehand.
    >>
    >>> Not much different than any isp's or online provider TOS either.

    >> So if you're planning to use one for backup, use two or three.
    >>

    >
    > I agree, effectively you MUST make you own cloud.
    > What we are being sold labelled as "cloud computing" is snake oil.
    > Unless a cloud solution involves several unrelated companies so
    > that if any of them go out of business or their systems fail
    > (common), it is not a 'cloud' in any sense that is actually
    > useful to us. Experienced users will never put all of their
    > eggs in one basket, so this 'cloud' is nothing but marketing hype.


    When I worked for the US Government I learned to be cautious about
    single-site commercial storage. Admittedly, this was simply boxes of
    paper containing scientific data but we never got them all back when the
    storage company went bankrupt.

    --
    Jim Silverton (Potomac, MD)

    Extraneous "not" in Reply To.
     
    James Silverton, Mar 20, 2012
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  14. On 3/20/2012, Rob posted:
    > On 19/03/2012 16:56, Steve Hayes wrote:
    >> On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 04:54:56 -0400, "...winston"<>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> If you're planning to violate the TOS it would be prudent not to store
    >>> anything important.

    >>
    >> Or even if you're not planning to do that. Violation of the TOS is not the
    >> only reason they can terminate your serivce. They can do to at any time,
    >> for
    >> any reason, without informing you beforehand.
    >>
    >>> Not much different than any isp's or online provider TOS either.

    >> So if you're planning to use one for backup, use two or three.
    >>


    > I agree, effectively you MUST make you own cloud.
    > What we are being sold labelled as "cloud computing" is snake oil.
    > Unless a cloud solution involves several unrelated companies so
    > that if any of them go out of business or their systems fail
    > (common), it is not a 'cloud' in any sense that is actually
    > useful to us. Experienced users will never put all of their
    > eggs in one basket, so this 'cloud' is nothing but marketing hype.


    One might notice the similarity in meaning between "cloud" and "vapor"
    :)

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
     
    Gene E. Bloch, Mar 20, 2012
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  15. BeeJ

    ...winston Guest

    Well, the topic is SkyDrive...imo, that specific cloud service (since it is
    only 25GB) is primarily intended for storing user created photos, videos
    and light use of the available online Office Apps and since each 25GB is
    single account based not really an option as a mechanism for personal
    storage beyond the above noted use.
    - i.e. it's important to differentiate use and objective when discussing
    cloud based options and strategies.

    Since the majority of content has to exist locally prior to uploading to
    SkyDrive, the requirement to backup locally is still primary therefore
    anything stored on SkyDrive should be redundant to what exists (should
    exist) elsewhere.

    I do agree that 'cloud computing' has a long way to go (robustness,
    availability, security, redundant storage) before its ready for primetime
    but for those with existing Hotmail accounts (over 300 million) and/or
    considering Win8 (with SkyDrive built in) it may very well be more than
    sufficient for the above noted primary intent.


    --
    ....winston
    msft mvp mail


    "Rob" wrote in message news:...

    On 19/03/2012 16:56, Steve Hayes wrote:
    > On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 04:54:56 -0400, "...winston"<>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> If you're planning to violate the TOS it would be prudent not to store
    >> anything important.

    >
    > Or even if you're not planning to do that. Violation of the TOS is not the
    > only reason they can terminate your serivce. They can do to at any time,
    > for
    > any reason, without informing you beforehand.
    >
    >> Not much different than any isp's or online provider TOS either.

    > So if you're planning to use one for backup, use two or three.
    >


    I agree, effectively you MUST make you own cloud.
    What we are being sold labelled as "cloud computing" is snake oil.
    Unless a cloud solution involves several unrelated companies so
    that if any of them go out of business or their systems fail
    (common), it is not a 'cloud' in any sense that is actually
    useful to us. Experienced users will never put all of their
    eggs in one basket, so this 'cloud' is nothing but marketing hype.
    --
    Rob
     
    ...winston, Mar 20, 2012
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  16. On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 14:28:37 -0700, Gene E. Bloch
    <> wrote:

    >On 3/20/2012, Rob posted:


    [snip]

    >> I agree, effectively you MUST make you own cloud.
    >> What we are being sold labelled as "cloud computing" is snake oil.
    >> Unless a cloud solution involves several unrelated companies so
    >> that if any of them go out of business or their systems fail
    >> (common), it is not a 'cloud' in any sense that is actually
    >> useful to us. Experienced users will never put all of their
    >> eggs in one basket, so this 'cloud' is nothing but marketing hype.


    That would be too easy. It does have some use which means that
    it can not simply be dismissed, much as we might wish.

    >One might notice the similarity in meaning between "cloud" and "vapor"
    >:)


    Bad analogy: A cloudy is cloudy. Vapour is often clear.

    My version is: One might notice the similarity in meaning between
    "cloud" and "fog". >:)

    Sincerely,

    Gene Wirchenko
     
    Gene Wirchenko, Mar 21, 2012
    #16
  17. On 3/20/2012, Gene Wirchenko posted:
    > On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 14:28:37 -0700, Gene E. Bloch
    > <> wrote:


    >> On 3/20/2012, Rob posted:


    > [snip]


    >>> I agree, effectively you MUST make you own cloud.
    >>> What we are being sold labelled as "cloud computing" is snake oil.
    >>> Unless a cloud solution involves several unrelated companies so
    >>> that if any of them go out of business or their systems fail
    >>> (common), it is not a 'cloud' in any sense that is actually
    >>> useful to us. Experienced users will never put all of their
    >>> eggs in one basket, so this 'cloud' is nothing but marketing hype.


    > That would be too easy. It does have some use which means that
    > it can not simply be dismissed, much as we might wish.


    >> One might notice the similarity in meaning between "cloud" and "vapor"
    >> :)


    > Bad analogy: A cloudy is cloudy. Vapour is often clear.


    > My version is: One might notice the similarity in meaning between
    > "cloud" and "fog". >:)


    > Sincerely,


    > Gene Wirchenko


    Have you ever heard the term "vaporware"? Didn't think so.

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
     
    Gene E. Bloch, Mar 21, 2012
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  18. On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:59:12 -0700, Gene E. Bloch
    <> wrote:

    >On 3/20/2012, Gene Wirchenko posted:
    >> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 14:28:37 -0700, Gene E. Bloch
    >> <> wrote:


    [snip]

    >>> One might notice the similarity in meaning between "cloud" and "vapor"
    >>> :)

    >
    >> Bad analogy: A cloudy is cloudy. Vapour is often clear.

    >
    >> My version is: One might notice the similarity in meaning between
    >> "cloud" and "fog". >:)


    >Have you ever heard the term "vaporware"? Didn't think so.


    Yes, somewhere around, oh, 25 years ago, so you were wrong in
    your assumption.

    "cloud" and "fog" are closer than "cloud" and "vaporware".

    Sincerely,

    Gene Wiichenko
     
    Gene Wirchenko, Mar 21, 2012
    #18
  19. On 3/21/2012, Gene Wirchenko posted:
    > On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:59:12 -0700, Gene E. Bloch
    > <> wrote:


    >> On 3/20/2012, Gene Wirchenko posted:
    >>> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 14:28:37 -0700, Gene E. Bloch
    >>> <> wrote:


    > [snip]


    >>>> One might notice the similarity in meaning between "cloud" and "vapor"
    >>>> :)

    >>
    >>> Bad analogy: A cloudy is cloudy. Vapour is often clear.
    >>> My version is: One might notice the similarity in meaning between
    >>> "cloud" and "fog". >:)


    >> Have you ever heard the term "vaporware"? Didn't think so.


    > Yes, somewhere around, oh, 25 years ago, so you were wrong in
    > your assumption.


    > "cloud" and "fog" are closer than "cloud" and "vaporware".


    > Sincerely,


    > Gene Wiichenko


    Good grief! You misspelled your own name!

    Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed my joke about vapor.

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
     
    Gene E. Bloch, Mar 21, 2012
    #19
  20. On 3/21/2012, Gene E. Bloch posted:
    > On 3/21/2012, Gene Wirchenko posted:
    >> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 10:59:12 -0700, Gene E. Bloch
    >> <> wrote:


    >>> On 3/20/2012, Gene Wirchenko posted:
    >>>> On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 14:28:37 -0700, Gene E. Bloch
    >>>> <> wrote:


    >> [snip]


    >>>>> One might notice the similarity in meaning between "cloud" and "vapor"
    >>>>> :)
    >>>
    >>>> Bad analogy: A cloudy is cloudy. Vapour is often clear.
    >>>> My version is: One might notice the similarity in meaning between
    >>>> "cloud" and "fog". >:)


    >>> Have you ever heard the term "vaporware"? Didn't think so.


    >> Yes, somewhere around, oh, 25 years ago, so you were wrong in
    >> your assumption.


    >> "cloud" and "fog" are closer than "cloud" and "vaporware".


    >> Sincerely,


    >> Gene Wiichenko


    > Good grief! You misspelled your own name!


    > Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed my joke about vapor.


    I though I'd better clarify my last sentence.

    It is meant as sarcasm, since your reponses to my joke indicate to me
    that you didn't get it, even after I explained it.

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
     
    Gene E. Bloch, Mar 21, 2012
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