Phonerlite - Question Time Please :-)

Discussion in 'alt.windows7.general' started by Loony, Mar 11, 2012.

  1. Loony

    Loony Guest

    Hello Experts,

    I am interested in using PhonerLite (a German program, and the source is
    www.PhonerLite.de) with my computer and I seem to have the basic
    PhonerLite program.

    I need to find the following :
    1 A Proxy/Registrar
    2 A STUN Server (keep your heads down guys)
    3 Domain/Realm.

    As I understand it, there are numerous groups involved in this field.
    Does any one have knowledge of the cost of setting up a good Internet
    phone system. I know about Skype but they seem to have a low quality
    phone system, at least in some parts of the planet.

    Besten Dank Herr Heiko Sommerfeldt.
     
    Loony, Mar 11, 2012
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  2. Loony

    Andy Burns Guest

    Loony wrote:

    > I am interested in using PhonerLite
    > I know about Skype


    Skype is a proprietary system, I would avoid it.

    From your description, I presume PhonerLite is an open standards based
    SIP/RTP system ... there are plenty of VoIP providers (e.g. sipgate,
    gradwell, a&a, vonage, voipcheap) it ought to work with, some have a
    monthly charge of couple of quid, others don't have a monthly charge,
    all will charge you for calls to normal phones.
     
    Andy Burns, Mar 11, 2012
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  3. Loony

    Bob L Guest

    On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 18:39:28 +0000, Loony <> wrote:

    >Hello Experts,
    >
    >I am interested in using PhonerLite (a German program, and the source is
    >www.PhonerLite.de) with my computer and I seem to have the basic
    >PhonerLite program.
    >
    >I need to find the following :
    >1 A Proxy/Registrar
    >2 A STUN Server (keep your heads down guys)
    >3 Domain/Realm.
    >
    >As I understand it, there are numerous groups involved in this field.
    >Does any one have knowledge of the cost of setting up a good Internet
    >phone system. I know about Skype but they seem to have a low quality
    >phone system, at least in some parts of the planet.
    >
    >Besten Dank Herr Heiko Sommerfeldt.


    I have used phonerlite, phoner and zoiper, all free, all work very
    well. For supplier I use sipgate.
     
    Bob L, Mar 12, 2012
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  4. Loony

    Loony Guest

    On 11/03/2012 18:49, Andy Burns wrote:
    > Loony wrote:
    >
    >> I am interested in using PhonerLite
    >> I know about Skype

    >
    > Skype is a proprietary system, I would avoid it.
    >
    > From your description, I presume PhonerLite is an open standards based
    > SIP/RTP system ... there are plenty of VoIP providers (e.g. sipgate,
    > gradwell, a&a, vonage, voipcheap) it ought to work with, some have a
    > monthly charge of couple of quid, others don't have a monthly charge,
    > all will charge you for calls to normal phones.


    Thanks Andy :)
     
    Loony, Mar 12, 2012
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  5. Loony

    Loony Guest

    On 12/03/2012 08:41, Bob L wrote:
    > On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 18:39:28 +0000, Loony<> wrote:
    >
    >> Hello Experts,
    >>
    >> I am interested in using PhonerLite (a German program, and the source is
    >> www.PhonerLite.de) with my computer and I seem to have the basic
    >> PhonerLite program.
    >>
    >> I need to find the following :
    >> 1 A Proxy/Registrar
    >> 2 A STUN Server (keep your heads down guys)
    >> 3 Domain/Realm.
    >>
    >> As I understand it, there are numerous groups involved in this field.
    >> Does any one have knowledge of the cost of setting up a good Internet
    >> phone system. I know about Skype but they seem to have a low quality
    >> phone system, at least in some parts of the planet.
    >>
    >> Besten Dank Herr Heiko Sommerfeldt.

    >
    > I have used phonerlite, phoner and zoiper, all free, all work very
    > well. For supplier I use sipgate.


    Great job Bob.

    I already have Phonerlite installed. Presumably Phoner is a more mature.
    I have done searches for all of the above and list is overwhelming.

    I found Sipgate and noticed that it has a lot of 'fixed lines.' Is that
    just land lines? The charges for calls within the UK can be 10p/min.
    Does Skype do any better? How did you get free calls? I need to know the
    secret :)

    What would be the least expensive and least complicated system? I would
    like to be able to chat with 2 to 4 people (audio and video) and to send
    faxes.

    Could an ordinary phone be used in these systems?

    TIA
     
    Loony, Mar 12, 2012
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  6. Loony

    Andy Burns Guest

    Loony wrote:

    > I found Sipgate and noticed that it has a lot of 'fixed lines.' Is that
    > just land lines? The charges for calls within the UK can be 10p/min.


    Yes, for "normal" 01/02/03 calls sipgate are 1.19p/min, the 10p/minute
    is for "premium" lines like 0871

    > Does Skype do any better?


    No, Skype are 1.4p/min for "normal" numbers and 13.5p/min for 0871, and
    up to 155p/min for some calls.

    > How did you get free calls? I need to know the
    > secret :)


    For free calls you generally need to call someone else on *their* VoIP
    system, so it travels over the internet all the way, rather than
    touching the PSTN at either end, if you call their PSTN number, you'll
    be charged.

    > Could an ordinary phone be used in these systems?


    Yes, you need an ATA (analogue telephone adapter)

    http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Analog Telephone Adapters
     
    Andy Burns, Mar 12, 2012
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  7. Loony

    Loony Guest

    Thank you Andy Burns. :)

    On 12/03/2012 12:36, Andy Burns wrote:
    > Loony wrote:
    >
    >> I found Sipgate and noticed that it has a lot of 'fixed lines.' Is that
    >> just land lines? The charges for calls within the UK can be 10p/min.

    >
    > Yes, for "normal" 01/02/03 calls sipgate are 1.19p/min, the 10p/minute
    > is for "premium" lines like 0871


    Good news.

    >> Does Skype do any better?

    >
    > No, Skype are 1.4p/min for "normal" numbers and 13.5p/min for 0871, and
    > up to 155p/min for some calls.


    I doubt I'll need that.

    >> How did you get free calls? I need to know the
    >> secret :)

    >
    > For free calls you generally need to call someone else on *their* VoIP
    > system, so it travels over the internet all the way, rather than
    > touching the PSTN at either end, if you call their PSTN number, you'll
    > be charged.


    Thanks. More good news.

    >> Could an ordinary phone be used in these systems?

    >
    > Yes, you need an ATA (analogue telephone adapter)
    >
    > http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Analog Telephone Adapters


    That web site almost blew me way. It reminded me of the very first time
    I walked into New York city. There is a huge number of options there.

    Do you know of any reasonably priced ATA that has had a good record for
    durability, clarity of speech, and for the faxing ability?

    I already have PhonerLite set up, I know about Sipgate now and, apart
    from the ATA, is there anything else needed to get it running?

    TIA
     
    Loony, Mar 12, 2012
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  8. Loony

    Andy Burns Guest

    Loony wrote:

    >> http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Analog Telephone Adapters

    >
    > That web site almost blew me way.


    Sorry, there are lots to choose from.

    > Do you know of any reasonably priced ATA that has had a good record for
    > durability, clarity of speech, and for the faxing ability?


    Faxing over VoIP isn't ideal without equipment that supports T.38

    > I already have PhonerLite set up, I know about Sipgate now and, apart
    > from the ATA, is there anything else needed to get it running?


    You only need an ATA if you want your home phone(s) to make or receive
    calls from your VoIP provider, can be useful e.g. if you get a number
    from sipgate, it can ring at home *and* wherever in the world your
    laptop with PhonerLite happens to be.

    A few years back the Sipura (now Cisco/Linksys) SPA2000/SPA3000 devices
    were "the" common device, now there are plenty to choose, I have no
    experience of the others ...
     
    Andy Burns, Mar 12, 2012
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  9. Loony

    Loony Guest

    On 12/03/2012 18:09, Andy Burns wrote:
    > Loony wrote:
    >
    >>> http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Analog Telephone Adapters

    >>
    >> That web site almost blew me way.

    >
    > Sorry, there are lots to choose from.
    >
    >> Do you know of any reasonably priced ATA that has had a good record for
    >> durability, clarity of speech, and for the faxing ability?

    >
    > Faxing over VoIP isn't ideal without equipment that supports T.38
    >
    >> I already have PhonerLite set up, I know about Sipgate now and, apart
    >> from the ATA, is there anything else needed to get it running?

    >
    > You only need an ATA if you want your home phone(s) to make or receive
    > calls from your VoIP provider, can be useful e.g. if you get a number
    > from sipgate, it can ring at home *and* wherever in the world your
    > laptop with PhonerLite happens to be.
    >
    > A few years back the Sipura (now Cisco/Linksys) SPA2000/SPA3000 devices
    > were "the" common device, now there are plenty to choose, I have no
    > experience of the others ...
    >


    Thanks once more Andy.

    My telephone system is British Telecom (= BT) -
    http://www.bt.com/retailsearch/sear...form=BV&searchType=0&cookies=~~cookieStatus~~

    "BT Hosted VoIP
    Now you can port your landline numbers to your Hosted VoIP service

    BT Falcon IP Phone
    Designed to enhance your Broadband Voice or BT Hosted VoIP service with
    additional calling features"

    I guess I need to do some more searching to combine BT with the bits I
    already have.
     
    Loony, Mar 12, 2012
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  10. Loony

    Andy Burns Guest

    Loony wrote:

    > My telephone system is British Telecom (= BT) -
    > http://www.bt.com/retailsearch/sear...form=BV&searchType=0&cookies=~~cookieStatus~~
    >
    > "BT Hosted VoIP
    > Now you can port your landline numbers to your Hosted VoIP service


    Ahh, BT's VoIP has historically been a bit of a walled-garden, it used
    to be linked to the BT HomeHub, but maybe they're opening it up now? I
    wouldn't claim to know much about their offerings, maybe someone else
    has experience of using it with an ATA or softphone?

    [xposted to uk.telecom.voip]
     
    Andy Burns, Mar 12, 2012
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  11. Loony

    Loony Guest

    On 12/03/2012 21:36, Andy Burns wrote:
    > Loony wrote:
    >
    >> My telephone system is British Telecom (= BT) -
    >> http://www.bt.com/retailsearch/sear...form=BV&searchType=0&cookies=~~cookieStatus~~
    >>
    >>
    >> "BT Hosted VoIP
    >> Now you can port your landline numbers to your Hosted VoIP service

    >
    > Ahh, BT's VoIP has historically been a bit of a walled-garden, it used
    > to be linked to the BT HomeHub, but maybe they're opening it up now? I
    > wouldn't claim to know much about their offerings, maybe someone else
    > has experience of using it with an ATA or softphone?
    >
    > [xposted to uk.telecom.voip]


    Thanks again Andy.

    I found the uk.telecom.voip in my News.Individual.Net
     
    Loony, Mar 13, 2012
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