OEM Windows

Discussion in 'alt.windows7.general' started by noname, Mar 2, 2012.

  1. noname

    noname Guest

    Just a question regarding OEM Windows.
    Right now i use a OEM but i was reading that OEM is bound to
    particular hardware. That would mean that i can not install this OEM
    on a new pc.
    Is this true? If i knew that i would have bought the fullversion which
    wasn't even that much more expensive.
    noname, Mar 2, 2012
    #1
  2. In message <>, noname
    <> writes:
    >Just a question regarding OEM Windows.
    >Right now i use a OEM but i was reading that OEM is bound to
    >particular hardware. That would mean that i can not install this OEM
    >on a new pc.
    >Is this true? If i knew that i would have bought the fullversion which
    >wasn't even that much more expensive.


    These terms tend to be used somewhat imprecisely.

    Full retail: can be used on any computer (though only one at a time),
    and transferred. The most expensive type (in UK, can cost similar to a
    whole new PC with preloaded Windows included).

    Another type (I think sometimes called "system builder"): can be
    installed on one PC, but not transferred to another PC. What "another
    PC" means is wooly - you can change things, like amount of RAM, disc
    drives, etc., as long as you don't change too much in too short a time
    so that it "thinks" it's been copied to a new PC. Different changes have
    different "weighting", with the change of a motherboard having the
    highest; if you change too much in too short a time, it will ask you to
    revalidate with Microsoft, possibly to the extent of having to convince
    someone over the 'phone (e. g. that your motherboard died). [It is my
    understanding that Windows 7 is more sophisticated in what it allows
    than XP was.]

    OEM in its purest meaning is Original Equipment Manufacturer, and refers
    to licences sold in large numbers to the big manufacturers (Dell etc.)
    for preinstallation. However, the term is sometimes used for licences
    (usually with installation media; the big OEM ones usually _don't_ have
    the media, as the machines are mass-produced and -loaded in the factory)
    for other types of construction.

    I think there are other types too.

    When you say you are using a OEM, do you mean a PC that came with
    Windows pre-installed, or - as I suspect, since you refer indirectly to
    its cost, which wouldn't be obvious as a separate component if you'd
    just bought a PC - Windows that came on media that you installed?
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Charity sees the need not the cause. -German proverb
    J. P. Gilliver (John), Mar 3, 2012
    #2
  3. noname

    VanguardLH Guest

    noname wrote:

    > Right now i use a OEM but i was reading that OEM is bound to
    > particular hardware. That would mean that i can not install this OEM
    > on a new pc. Is this true?


    Yes. This is your very first experience with any version of Windows?

    Find End User License Terms for Microsoft Software Licensed by Microsoft
    or the Computer Manufacturer
    http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/UseTerms/Default.aspx

    Since you're asking about the OEM version which is usually pre-installed
    on a pre-built computer (or installed by a system builder which includes
    yourself should you elect that position), select the "Pre-installed"
    category.

    My selections led me to:
    http://download.microsoft.com/Documents/UseTerms/Windows
    7_Professional_English_b7a7153f-1a6c-498c-9350-c86926bb1aa9.pdf

    which says " The software license is permanently assigned to the
    computer with which the software is distributed."

    You didn't bother to mention WHICH edition you have. I picked the
    Professional edition (and pre-installed for OEM versions).

    > If i knew that i would have bought the fullversion which wasn't even
    > that much more expensive.


    Really? OEM versions usually cost me about half of the retail full
    version. Maybe you were thinking of the retail upgrade version.

    Windows 7 OEM version: $140
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116989

    Windows 7 retail upgrade version: $180
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116714

    Windows 7 retail full version: $250
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116717

    That's a $110 difference between full retail and OEM versions.
    VanguardLH, Mar 3, 2012
    #3
  4. noname

    noname Guest

    To clarify. I build my pc myself (its old now) and installed Win7 new
    onto it. I had XP preciously but tossed it.
    The Version i got was labeld OEM.
    I am not sure where i read that Win7 OEM binds the OS to lets say a
    motherboard.
    What i want to do is to eventually build a new pc discard the old one
    (or load it with Linux) and install my OEM Win7 on the new pc.
    I haven't tried it so far since i only have one pc.



    On Sat, 3 Mar 2012 00:07:11 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
    <> wrote:

    >In message <>, noname
    ><> writes:
    >>Just a question regarding OEM Windows.
    >>Right now i use a OEM but i was reading that OEM is bound to
    >>particular hardware. That would mean that i can not install this OEM
    >>on a new pc.
    >>Is this true? If i knew that i would have bought the fullversion which
    >>wasn't even that much more expensive.

    >
    >These terms tend to be used somewhat imprecisely.
    >
    >Full retail: can be used on any computer (though only one at a time),
    >and transferred. The most expensive type (in UK, can cost similar to a
    >whole new PC with preloaded Windows included).
    >
    >Another type (I think sometimes called "system builder"): can be
    >installed on one PC, but not transferred to another PC. What "another
    >PC" means is wooly - you can change things, like amount of RAM, disc
    >drives, etc., as long as you don't change too much in too short a time
    >so that it "thinks" it's been copied to a new PC. Different changes have
    >different "weighting", with the change of a motherboard having the
    >highest; if you change too much in too short a time, it will ask you to
    >revalidate with Microsoft, possibly to the extent of having to convince
    >someone over the 'phone (e. g. that your motherboard died). [It is my
    >understanding that Windows 7 is more sophisticated in what it allows
    >than XP was.]
    >
    >OEM in its purest meaning is Original Equipment Manufacturer, and refers
    >to licences sold in large numbers to the big manufacturers (Dell etc.)
    >for preinstallation. However, the term is sometimes used for licences
    >(usually with installation media; the big OEM ones usually _don't_ have
    >the media, as the machines are mass-produced and -loaded in the factory)
    >for other types of construction.
    >
    >I think there are other types too.
    >
    >When you say you are using a OEM, do you mean a PC that came with
    >Windows pre-installed, or - as I suspect, since you refer indirectly to
    >its cost, which wouldn't be obvious as a separate component if you'd
    >just bought a PC - Windows that came on media that you installed?
    noname, Mar 3, 2012
    #4
  5. noname

    noname Guest

    Now i check my box and it says OEM System Builder Pack
    and on the label it says Win Home Prem 7 SP1 64bit English 1pk DSP OEI
    611 DVD.

    I am confused right now.
    But i want to be clear once more. Its not a new computer and it did
    not came with the computer.
    I bought it off a store and installed it. Everything works fine but
    not sure if i can install it on a new pc or if i end up to have to buy
    a brand new copy.

    On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 18:22:14 -0600, VanguardLH <> wrote:

    >noname wrote:
    >
    >> Right now i use a OEM but i was reading that OEM is bound to
    >> particular hardware. That would mean that i can not install this OEM
    >> on a new pc. Is this true?

    >
    >Yes. This is your very first experience with any version of Windows?
    >
    >Find End User License Terms for Microsoft Software Licensed by Microsoft
    >or the Computer Manufacturer
    >http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/UseTerms/Default.aspx
    >
    >Since you're asking about the OEM version which is usually pre-installed
    >on a pre-built computer (or installed by a system builder which includes
    >yourself should you elect that position), select the "Pre-installed"
    >category.
    >
    >My selections led me to:
    >http://download.microsoft.com/Documents/UseTerms/Windows
    >7_Professional_English_b7a7153f-1a6c-498c-9350-c86926bb1aa9.pdf
    >
    >which says " The software license is permanently assigned to the
    >computer with which the software is distributed."
    >
    >You didn't bother to mention WHICH edition you have. I picked the
    >Professional edition (and pre-installed for OEM versions).
    >
    >> If i knew that i would have bought the fullversion which wasn't even
    >> that much more expensive.

    >
    >Really? OEM versions usually cost me about half of the retail full
    >version. Maybe you were thinking of the retail upgrade version.
    >
    >Windows 7 OEM version: $140
    >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116989
    >
    >Windows 7 retail upgrade version: $180
    >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116714
    >
    >Windows 7 retail full version: $250
    >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116717
    >
    >That's a $110 difference between full retail and OEM versions.
    noname, Mar 3, 2012
    #5
  6. noname

    Wolf K Guest

    On 02/03/2012 8:17 PM, noname wrote:
    > To clarify. I build my pc myself (its old now) and installed Win7 new
    > onto it. I had XP preciously but tossed it.
    > The Version i got was labeld OEM.
    > I am not sure where i read that Win7 OEM binds the OS to lets say a
    > motherboard.
    > What i want to do is to eventually build a new pc discard the old one
    > (or load it with Linux) and install my OEM Win7 on the new pc.
    > I haven't tried it so far since i only have one pc.


    Search on "move Windows 7 to new hardware", and you'll find:

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/249694

    It will tell what you need to know.

    Wolf K.
    "Google is your friend"
    Wolf K, Mar 3, 2012
    #6
  7. noname

    Char Jackson Guest

    On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:17:00 -0800, noname <>
    wrote:

    >To clarify. I build my pc myself (its old now) and installed Win7 new
    >onto it. I had XP preciously but tossed it.
    >The Version i got was labeld OEM.


    That was a fine choice, but it didn't position you for the long term.

    >I am not sure where i read that Win7 OEM binds the OS to lets say a
    >motherboard.
    >What i want to do is to eventually build a new pc discard the old one
    >(or load it with Linux) and install my OEM Win7 on the new pc.


    That's exactly what OEM doesn't allow. You should have gone with an
    Upgrade or full Retail copy. Your choices now are to get another OEM
    version or move up to a higher edition.

    --

    Char Jackson
    Char Jackson, Mar 3, 2012
    #7
  8. noname

    Wolf K Guest

    Re: OEM Windows PS

    On 02/03/2012 9:19 PM, Wolf K wrote:
    > On 02/03/2012 8:17 PM, noname wrote:
    >> To clarify. I build my pc myself (its old now) and installed Win7 new
    >> onto it. I had XP preciously but tossed it.
    >> The Version i got was labeld OEM.
    >> I am not sure where i read that Win7 OEM binds the OS to lets say a
    >> motherboard.
    >> What i want to do is to eventually build a new pc discard the old one
    >> (or load it with Linux) and install my OEM Win7 on the new pc.
    >> I haven't tried it so far since I only have one pc.

    >
    > Search on "move Windows 7 to new hardware", and you'll find:
    >
    > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/249694
    >
    > It will tell what you need to know.
    >
    > Wolf K.
    > "Google is your friend"



    And this URL basically tells you'll have to buy a new copy ("licence")
    when you build a new computer:

    http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...hardware/9ebfef99-6984-4b1d-9209-fa1078481d83

    HTH,
    Wolf K.
    Wolf K, Mar 3, 2012
    #8
  9. On 3/02/2012, noname posted:
    > Now i check my box and it says OEM System Builder Pack
    > and on the label it says Win Home Prem 7 SP1 64bit English 1pk DSP OEI
    > 611 DVD.


    > I am confused right now.
    > But i want to be clear once more. Its not a new computer and it did
    > not came with the computer.
    > I bought it off a store and installed it. Everything works fine but
    > not sure if i can install it on a new pc or if i end up to have to buy
    > a brand new copy.


    Many people have said it in this thread: OEM can not be transferred to
    a new computer.

    O-E-M CAN NOT BE TRANSFERRED.

    > On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 18:22:14 -0600, VanguardLH <> wrote:


    >> noname wrote:
    >>
    >>> Right now i use a OEM but i was reading that OEM is bound to
    >>> particular hardware. That would mean that i can not install this OEM
    >>> on a new pc. Is this true?

    >>
    >> Yes. This is your very first experience with any version of Windows?
    >>
    >> Find End User License Terms for Microsoft Software Licensed by Microsoft
    >> or the Computer Manufacturer
    >> http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/UseTerms/Default.aspx
    >>
    >> Since you're asking about the OEM version which is usually pre-installed
    >> on a pre-built computer (or installed by a system builder which includes
    >> yourself should you elect that position), select the "Pre-installed"
    >> category.
    >>
    >> My selections led me to:
    >> http://download.microsoft.com/Documents/UseTerms/Windows
    >> 7_Professional_English_b7a7153f-1a6c-498c-9350-c86926bb1aa9.pdf
    >>
    >> which says " The software license is permanently assigned to the
    >> computer with which the software is distributed."
    >>
    >> You didn't bother to mention WHICH edition you have. I picked the
    >> Professional edition (and pre-installed for OEM versions).
    >>
    >>> If i knew that i would have bought the fullversion which wasn't even
    >>> that much more expensive.

    >>
    >> Really? OEM versions usually cost me about half of the retail full
    >> version. Maybe you were thinking of the retail upgrade version.
    >>
    >> Windows 7 OEM version: $140
    >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116989
    >>
    >> Windows 7 retail upgrade version: $180
    >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116714
    >>
    >> Windows 7 retail full version: $250
    >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116717
    >>
    >> That's a $110 difference between full retail and OEM versions.


    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
    Gene E. Bloch, Mar 3, 2012
    #9
  10. noname

    VanguardLH Guest

    noname wrote:

    > Now i check my box and it says OEM System Builder Pack
    > and on the label it says Win Home Prem 7 SP1 64bit English 1pk DSP OEI
    > 611 DVD.
    >
    > But i want to be clear once more. Its not a new computer and it did
    > not came with the computer.
    > I bought it off a store and installed it. Everything works fine but
    > not sure if i can install it on a new pc or if i end up to have to buy
    > a brand new copy.


    The "system builder" license is what was previously called the OEM
    license. A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet.

    http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/Pages/index.aspx

    You buy the SB licensed product and then later you, the system builder,
    install it. It is an OEM license that you put onto a pre-built
    computer. That the computer gets "distributed" by you to you doesn't
    change that you elected to be the original equipment manufacturer (OEM)
    or the system builder.

    You bought an OEM licensed product. You chose to be the system builder.
    You perform the OS install. You distribute the pre-installed OS on the
    pre-built computer. That the pre-installed pre-built platform was
    distributed to yourself doesn't change your licensing role.
    VanguardLH, Mar 3, 2012
    #10
  11. noname

    Allen Drake Guest

    On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 18:22:14 -0600, VanguardLH <> wrote:

    >noname wrote:
    >
    >> Right now i use a OEM but i was reading that OEM is bound to
    >> particular hardware. That would mean that i can not install this OEM
    >> on a new pc. Is this true?

    >
    >Yes. This is your very first experience with any version of Windows?
    >
    >Find End User License Terms for Microsoft Software Licensed by Microsoft
    >or the Computer Manufacturer
    >http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/UseTerms/Default.aspx
    >
    >Since you're asking about the OEM version which is usually pre-installed
    >on a pre-built computer (or installed by a system builder which includes
    >yourself should you elect that position), select the "Pre-installed"
    >category.
    >
    >My selections led me to:
    >http://download.microsoft.com/Documents/UseTerms/Windows
    >7_Professional_English_b7a7153f-1a6c-498c-9350-c86926bb1aa9.pdf
    >
    >which says " The software license is permanently assigned to the
    >computer with which the software is distributed."
    >
    >You didn't bother to mention WHICH edition you have. I picked the
    >Professional edition (and pre-installed for OEM versions).
    >
    >> If i knew that i would have bought the fullversion which wasn't even
    >> that much more expensive.

    >
    >Really? OEM versions usually cost me about half of the retail full
    >version. Maybe you were thinking of the retail upgrade version.
    >
    >Windows 7 OEM version: $140
    >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116989
    >
    >Windows 7 retail upgrade version: $180
    >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116714
    >
    >Windows 7 retail full version: $250
    >http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116717
    >
    >That's a $110 difference between full retail and OEM versions.


    $99.00
    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Windows...&ref=06&loc=01&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=2731899
    Allen Drake, Mar 3, 2012
    #11
  12. In message <>, noname
    <> writes:
    >Now i check my box and it says OEM System Builder Pack
    >and on the label it says Win Home Prem 7 SP1 64bit English 1pk DSP OEI
    >611 DVD.
    >
    >I am confused right now.
    >But i want to be clear once more. Its not a new computer and it did
    >not came with the computer.
    >I bought it off a store and installed it. Everything works fine but
    >not sure if i can install it on a new pc or if i end up to have to buy
    >a brand new copy.

    []
    From what others have said, you can't _move_ it to a new (different)
    computer - that's why it's cheaper than the full version, which you can
    (only one computer at a time, though).

    You may be able to _gradually_ turn your old computer into a new one, a
    bit at a time: it does allow you to make small changes, to allow people
    to upgrade their system (add more RAM or extra drives, for example).
    Each type of hardware change has a score, a number of points, assigned
    to it. It allows you to make up to a certain level of changes; the score
    goes down after a certain time. Be aware that a motherboard has a very
    high score, partly because it includes some things that could be
    separate hardware (such as a network "card").
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    ?pu gnickab yb naem uoy tahw siht sI
    J. P. Gilliver (John), Mar 3, 2012
    #12
  13. noname

    VanguardLH Guest

    Allen Drake wrote:

    > VanguardLH wrote:
    >
    >>noname wrote:
    >>
    >>> Right now i use a OEM but i was reading that OEM is bound to
    >>> particular hardware. That would mean that i can not install this OEM
    >>> on a new pc. Is this true?

    >>
    >>Yes. This is your very first experience with any version of Windows?
    >>
    >>Find End User License Terms for Microsoft Software Licensed by Microsoft
    >>or the Computer Manufacturer
    >>http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/UseTerms/Default.aspx
    >>
    >>Since you're asking about the OEM version which is usually pre-installed
    >>on a pre-built computer (or installed by a system builder which includes
    >>yourself should you elect that position), select the "Pre-installed"
    >>category.
    >>
    >>My selections led me to:
    >>http://download.microsoft.com/Documents/UseTerms/Windows
    >>7_Professional_English_b7a7153f-1a6c-498c-9350-c86926bb1aa9.pdf
    >>
    >>which says " The software license is permanently assigned to the
    >>computer with which the software is distributed."
    >>
    >>You didn't bother to mention WHICH edition you have. I picked the
    >>Professional edition (and pre-installed for OEM versions).
    >>
    >>> If i knew that i would have bought the fullversion which wasn't even
    >>> that much more expensive.

    >>
    >>Really? OEM versions usually cost me about half of the retail full
    >>version. Maybe you were thinking of the retail upgrade version.
    >>
    >>Windows 7 OEM version: $140
    >>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116989
    >>
    >>Windows 7 retail upgrade version: $180
    >>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116714
    >>
    >>Windows 7 retail full version: $250
    >>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116717
    >>
    >>That's a $110 difference between full retail and OEM versions.

    >
    > $99.00
    > http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Windows...&ref=06&loc=01&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=2731899


    Forgot to mention that the prices that I exampled were for the
    Professional version. I don't waste my time with the Home editions.

    Windows 7 Home OEM: $100
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

    Windows 7 Home retail upgrade: $110
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116713

    Windows 7 Home retail full: $190
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

    Still a huge savings going OEM versus retail full version whether for
    the Home or Professional editions. I'd like to know where the OP would
    have been able to obtain the full retail version "which wasn't even that
    much more expensive" than the OEM version.
    VanguardLH, Mar 3, 2012
    #13
  14. noname

    Allen Drake Guest

    On Fri, 02 Mar 2012 18:27:49 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
    <> wrote:

    >On 3/02/2012, noname posted:
    >> Now i check my box and it says OEM System Builder Pack
    >> and on the label it says Win Home Prem 7 SP1 64bit English 1pk DSP OEI
    >> 611 DVD.

    >
    >> I am confused right now.
    >> But i want to be clear once more. Its not a new computer and it did
    >> not came with the computer.
    >> I bought it off a store and installed it. Everything works fine but
    >> not sure if i can install it on a new pc or if i end up to have to buy
    >> a brand new copy.

    >
    >Many people have said it in this thread: OEM can not be transferred to
    >a new computer.
    >
    >O-E-M CAN NOT BE TRANSFERRED.
    >
    >> On Fri, 2 Mar 2012 18:22:14 -0600, VanguardLH <> wrote:

    >
    >>> noname wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Right now i use a OEM but i was reading that OEM is bound to
    >>>> particular hardware. That would mean that i can not install this OEM
    >>>> on a new pc. Is this true?
    >>>
    >>> Yes. This is your very first experience with any version of Windows?
    >>>
    >>> Find End User License Terms for Microsoft Software Licensed by Microsoft
    >>> or the Computer Manufacturer
    >>> http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/UseTerms/Default.aspx
    >>>
    >>> Since you're asking about the OEM version which is usually pre-installed
    >>> on a pre-built computer (or installed by a system builder which includes
    >>> yourself should you elect that position), select the "Pre-installed"
    >>> category.
    >>>
    >>> My selections led me to:
    >>> http://download.microsoft.com/Documents/UseTerms/Windows
    >>> 7_Professional_English_b7a7153f-1a6c-498c-9350-c86926bb1aa9.pdf
    >>>
    >>> which says " The software license is permanently assigned to the
    >>> computer with which the software is distributed."
    >>>
    >>> You didn't bother to mention WHICH edition you have. I picked the
    >>> Professional edition (and pre-installed for OEM versions).
    >>>
    >>>> If i knew that i would have bought the fullversion which wasn't even
    >>>> that much more expensive.
    >>>
    >>> Really? OEM versions usually cost me about half of the retail full
    >>> version. Maybe you were thinking of the retail upgrade version.
    >>>
    >>> Windows 7 OEM version: $140
    >>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116989
    >>>
    >>> Windows 7 retail upgrade version: $180
    >>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116714
    >>>
    >>> Windows 7 retail full version: $250
    >>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116717
    >>>
    >>> That's a $110 difference between full retail and OEM versions.


    Can not or should not? I have done it so maybe you care to clarify.
    Allen Drake, Mar 3, 2012
    #14
  15. In message <jisct0$2i2$>, VanguardLH <>
    writes:
    []
    >Forgot to mention that the prices that I exampled were for the
    >Professional version. I don't waste my time with the Home editions.


    Out of interest, why do you say that - what is missing from the home
    editions that would make them a waste of your time?
    []
    >Still a huge savings going OEM versus retail full version whether for
    >the Home or Professional editions. I'd like to know where the OP would
    >have been able to obtain the full retail version "which wasn't even that
    >much more expensive" than the OEM version.


    Ditto - though of course he may have been overcharged for the OEM one
    (-:.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    <This space unintentionally left blank>.
    J. P. Gilliver (John), Mar 3, 2012
    #15
  16. noname

    Dominique Guest

    noname <> écrivait
    news::

    > Just a question regarding OEM Windows.
    > Right now i use a OEM but i was reading that OEM is bound to
    > particular hardware. That would mean that i can not install this OEM
    > on a new pc.
    > Is this true? If i knew that i would have bought the fullversion which
    > wasn't even that much more expensive.


    A system builder OEM is not tied to hardware because MS has no way to know
    which hardware it will be.

    OTOH a branded OEM (Dell, HP, Acer, etc), could be tied to the BIOS.

    Transferring a system builder OEM to new hardware will work if there is
    enough time between the two installations but you'll be breaching the terms
    of the licence and it's illegal.
    Dominique, Mar 3, 2012
    #16
  17. noname

    KCB Guest

    "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > In message <jisct0$2i2$>, VanguardLH <>
    > writes:
    > []
    >>Forgot to mention that the prices that I exampled were for the
    >>Professional version. I don't waste my time with the Home editions.

    >
    > Out of interest, why do you say that - what is missing from the home
    > editions that would make them a waste of your time?



    Start here, then click the various tabs for more information:

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/compare
    KCB, Mar 3, 2012
    #17
  18. noname

    BillW50 Guest

    On 3/3/2012 9:10 AM, Dominique wrote:
    > noname<> écrivait
    > news::
    >
    >> Just a question regarding OEM Windows.
    >> Right now i use a OEM but i was reading that OEM is bound to
    >> particular hardware. That would mean that i can not install this OEM
    >> on a new pc.
    >> Is this true? If i knew that i would have bought the fullversion which
    >> wasn't even that much more expensive.

    >
    > A system builder OEM is not tied to hardware because MS has no way to know
    > which hardware it will be.
    >
    > OTOH a branded OEM (Dell, HP, Acer, etc), could be tied to the BIOS.
    >
    > Transferring a system builder OEM to new hardware will work if there is
    > enough time between the two installations but you'll be breaching the terms
    > of the licence and it's illegal.


    This is all good and well from Microsoft's (or other developers) point
    of view. But I often wonder why nobody ever mentions the injustice from
    the consumers point of view?

    As I have been burned many times by Microsoft and other software
    developers. And lots of them offer a 30 day money back if you are
    dissatisfied with their product.

    Well I have taken up their offer dozens of times and I never ever got my
    money back. Not once in decades of computer use. So what is the deal
    with that? I've lost thousands of dollars from this nonsense over the
    years. And I see nobody protecting the consumer about this problem.

    --
    Bill
    Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v3.0
    Centrino Core2 Duo 2GHz - 1.5GB - Windows 7
    BillW50, Mar 3, 2012
    #18
  19. noname

    Ken Springer Guest

    On 3/3/12 8:33 AM, BillW50 wrote:
    > This is all good and well from Microsoft's (or other developers) point
    > of view. But I often wonder why nobody ever mentions the injustice from
    > the consumers point of view?
    >
    > As I have been burned many times by Microsoft and other software
    > developers. And lots of them offer a 30 day money back if you are
    > dissatisfied with their product.
    >
    > Well I have taken up their offer dozens of times and I never ever got my
    > money back. Not once in decades of computer use. So what is the deal
    > with that? I've lost thousands of dollars from this nonsense over the
    > years. And I see nobody protecting the consumer about this problem.


    This may be a fine line (not a lawyer here), but the difference may be
    you are purchasing a license to use a product, with stipulations, and
    not the product itself. Sort of like leasing a new car as opposed to
    buying it. If you don't like the stipulations, it's your choice as the
    consumer to not buy the license.

    I suspect the average consumer, if not the vast majority, know about the
    EULA. How many people ever read the EULA? Further, how many people do
    you know that got a used computer from someone/somewhere, with no
    original system CD's, restore partition, COA sticker, etc.?



    --
    Ken

    Mac OS X 10.6.8
    Firefox 10.0.2
    Thunderbird 10.0.2
    LibreOffice 3.5.0 rc3
    Ken Springer, Mar 3, 2012
    #19
  20. In message <jitco4$b1$>, KCB <>
    writes:
    >
    >"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <> wrote in message
    >news:...
    >> In message <jisct0$2i2$>, VanguardLH <>
    >>writes:
    >> []
    >>>Forgot to mention that the prices that I exampled were for the
    >>>Professional version. I don't waste my time with the Home editions.

    >>
    >> Out of interest, why do you say that - what is missing from the home
    >>editions that would make them a waste of your time?

    >
    >
    >Start here, then click the various tabs for more information:
    >
    >http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/compare


    Yes, I could have found that for myself: I was curious which feature(s)
    YOU considered it a waste of time not to have.

    To save others the time, the above page lists the differences as:

    o XP mode only available in Pro
    o company networks easier and more secure in Pro
    o backup to a network only available in Pro
    o BitLocker encryption only available in Ult
    o language-switching only available in Ult
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Have the courage to be ordinary - people make themselves so desperately unhappy
    trying to be clever and totally original. (Robbie Coltrane, RT 8-14 Nov. 1997.)
    J. P. Gilliver (John), Mar 3, 2012
    #20

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