Microsoft Security Essentials / Windows Updates Question

Discussion in 'alt.windows7.general' started by Chet@home.net, Jun 17, 2011.

  1. Guest

    I alway set automatic updates to "Never check for updates." However, something keeps turning
    it back on and I suspect it is MSSE. Anyone else seen automatic updates revert back to "Install Updates Automatticaly"
    for any reason and or know of a fix for this?


    BTW, I have seen this happen on several computers now.

    Thanks
    , Jun 17, 2011
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  2. choro Guest

    On 17/06/2011 13:34, wrote:
    > I alway set automatic updates to "Never check for updates." However, something keeps turning
    > it back on and I suspect it is MSSE. Anyone else seen automatic updates revert back to "Install Updates Automatticaly"
    > for any reason and or know of a fix for this?
    >


    Yes, switch over to Linux!
    -- choro --
    >
    > BTW, I have seen this happen on several computers now.
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    >
    choro, Jun 17, 2011
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  3. Paul Guest

    wrote:
    > I alway set automatic updates to "Never check for updates." However, something keeps turning
    > it back on and I suspect it is MSSE. Anyone else seen automatic updates revert back to "Install Updates Automatticaly"
    > for any reason and or know of a fix for this?
    >
    >
    > BTW, I have seen this happen on several computers now.
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    >


    If you can't find another solution, go to Services and disable Automatic Update service ?

    http://www.softwaretipsandtricks.com/windowsxp/articles/275/1/Disable-Automatic-Updates

    http://windowsxp.mvps.org/wuauserv.htm

    You could try further research on wuauserv .

    Disabling that service, is apparently something malware does, so that
    suggests Microsoft is relying on that for their malware tools (virus updates).

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/959894

    Does MSSE have a manual update in the menu ? You'd need some
    way for it to get updates on a regular basis.

    *******

    OK, this is pretty clever.

    http://www.windowsbbs.com/general-security/89931-ms-security-essentials-my-findings.html

    "I have a cmd file I made that:
    1. starts Automatic Update service.
    2. starts MS Antimalware service.
    3. updates MSE.
    4. stops those two services."

    This is a snippet of code. It saves a step and does the same thing.

    net start wuauserv
    "%ProgramFiles%\Microsoft Security Essentials\MpCmdRun.exe" -SignatureUpdate
    net stop wuauserv

    Maybe you can cook something up with that.

    HTH,
    Paul
    Paul, Jun 17, 2011
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  4. On 17 Jun 2011 12:34:16 GMT, wrote:

    >I alway set automatic updates to "Never check for updates." However, something keeps turning
    >it back on and I suspect it is MSSE. Anyone else seen automatic updates revert back to "Install Updates Automatticaly"
    >for any reason and or know of a fix for this?
    >

    I use MSE and have Windows auto update turned off as well.
    It's never turned mine back on.



    Frederick J. Barnett
    "Someone's got to take the responsibility if the job's going to get done!! Do you think that's easy?!" Gregory Peck - The Guns Of Navarone
    Frederick J. Barnett, Jun 17, 2011
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  5. wrote:
    > I alway set automatic updates to "Never check for updates." However,
    > something keeps turning it back on and I suspect it is MSSE. Anyone
    > else seen automatic updates revert back to "Install Updates
    > Automatticaly" for any reason and or know of a fix for this?


    No. Windows Update has four options, and whichever one I pick, sticks. I
    normally have it set to the third option:

    1) Install updates automatically (recommended)
    2) Download updates but let me choose whether to install them
    3) Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them
    4) Never check for updates (not recommended)

    --
    Crash

    "In politics, stupidity is not a handicap."
    ~ Napoleon Bonaparte ~
    Dave \Crash\ Dummy, Jun 17, 2011
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  6. VanguardLH Guest

    Chet wrote:

    > I alway set automatic updates to "Never check for updates." However,
    > something keeps turning it back on and I suspect it is MSSE. Anyone
    > else seen automatic updates revert back to "Install Updates
    > Automatticaly" for any reason and or know of a fix for this?


    MSSE isn't doing that. Perhaps you have security software that protects
    the state of settings. You change the settings and it changes them
    back. Got anything other than MSSE installed on your host for security
    or privacy software?

    While MSSE uses the Automatic Updates service to get its updates, it
    doesn't alter the Windows Update option. Even if you configure Windows
    Updates to never check for updates (and obviously then also not to
    download or install them), disabling the AU service will prevent MSSE
    from getting its updates.

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/959894

    > BTW, I have seen this happen on several computers now.


    I suspect what is common amongst these multiple computers is a single
    user. You've done something on each computer and why the symptom has
    shown up on each computer. It moves as you move.
    VanguardLH, Jun 17, 2011
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  7. VanguardLH Guest

    choro wrote:

    > Chet wrote:
    >
    >> I alway set automatic updates to "Never check for updates." However,
    >> something keeps turning it back on and I suspect it is MSSE. Anyone
    >> else seen automatic updates revert back to "Install Updates
    >> Automatticaly" for any reason and or know of a fix for this?

    >
    > Yes, switch over to Linux!


    Oooh, goochie goochie goo, whadda cute widdle baby you are. Hee hee hee
    hee hee, you looks so funny banging on the keyboard to imitate Daddie.

    choro on the keyboard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XKnpkYTtIY
    VanguardLH, Jun 17, 2011
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  8. On 6/17/2011, VanguardLH posted:
    > choro wrote:


    >> Chet wrote:
    >>
    >>> I alway set automatic updates to "Never check for updates." However,
    >>> something keeps turning it back on and I suspect it is MSSE. Anyone
    >>> else seen automatic updates revert back to "Install Updates
    >>> Automatticaly" for any reason and or know of a fix for this?

    >>
    >> Yes, switch over to Linux!


    > Oooh, goochie goochie goo, whadda cute widdle baby you are. Hee hee hee
    > hee hee, you looks so funny banging on the keyboard to imitate Daddie.


    > choro on the keyboard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XKnpkYTtIY


    Judging by her frustration, she must have been interfacing with a Linux
    distro.

    In about a year, she'll probably be texting her toddler friends, ya
    think?

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
    Gene E. Bloch, Jun 17, 2011
    #8
  9. Twayne Guest

    In news:SLIKp.7624$2,
    choro <> typed:
    > On 17/06/2011 13:34, wrote:
    >> I alway set automatic updates to "Never check for
    >> updates." However, something keeps turning it back on and I suspect it
    >> is MSSE. Anyone else seen
    >> automatic updates revert back to "Install Updates
    >> Automatticaly" for any reason and or know of a fix for
    >> this?

    >
    > Yes, switch over to Linux!
    > -- choro --


    Oh, there's an intelligent moron! IQ must almost match his age.


    >>
    >> BTW, I have seen this happen on several computers now.
    >>
    >> Thanks
    Twayne, Jun 17, 2011
    #9
  10. Guest

    Re: Microsoft Security Essentials / Windows Updates Question - thanks to all who responded and an update.

    According to this, installing MSSE does turn Windows Update back on.

    http://www.infoworld.com/t/anti-vir...-installer-zaps-automatic-updates-setting-804


    Just for grins, I uninstalled MSSE, set Windows update to never, installed MSSE and Windows update was set back to automatic.


    Must be happening to somebody other than me for the article to get written.
    , Jun 18, 2011
    #10
  11. Tester Guest

    Re: Microsoft Security Essentials / Windows Updates Question -thanks to all who responded and an update.

    This applies to all security products. AVG does that; So does F-Secure
    (which turns off Windows firewall and installs its own); Windows
    Defender also does that.

    One should always check the updates configurations settings after
    installing any Microsoft updates or Applications. Microsoft would like
    us to think that it knows best;

    i have stopped all M$ updates because I don't think they are doing
    anything special to my system. I choose to install MSSE and Windows
    Defender updates and tat is all! Nothing else; Therefore, no M$
    spywares on my system.

    hth



    wrote:
    > According to this, installing MSSE does turn Windows Update back on.
    >
    > http://www.infoworld.com/t/anti-vir...-installer-zaps-automatic-updates-setting-804
    >
    >
    > Just for grins, I uninstalled MSSE, set Windows update to never, installed MSSE and Windows update was set back to automatic.
    >
    >
    > Must be happening to somebody other than me for the article to get written.
    >
    >
    Tester, Jun 18, 2011
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  12. SC Tom Guest

    Re: Microsoft Security Essentials / Windows Updates Question - thanks to all who responded and an update.

    "Tester" <> wrote in message
    news:itguc9$ib2$...
    > This applies to all security products. AVG does that; So does F-Secure
    > (which turns off Windows firewall and installs its own); Windows
    > Defender also does that.


    Zone Alarm doesn't.

    >
    > One should always check the updates configurations settings after
    > installing any Microsoft updates or Applications. Microsoft would like
    > us to think that it knows best;
    >
    > i have stopped all M$ updates because I don't think they are doing
    > anything special to my system. I choose to install MSSE and Windows
    > Defender updates and tat is all! Nothing else; Therefore, no M$
    > spywares on my system.


    Protect yourself for sure. http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

    >
    > hth
    >
    >
    >
    > wrote:
    >> According to this, installing MSSE does turn Windows Update back on.
    >>
    >> http://www.infoworld.com/t/anti-vir...-installer-zaps-automatic-updates-setting-804
    >>
    >>
    >> Just for grins, I uninstalled MSSE, set Windows update to never,
    >> installed MSSE and Windows update was set back to automatic.
    >>
    >>
    >> Must be happening to somebody other than me for the article to get
    >> written.
    >>
    >>
    SC Tom, Jun 18, 2011
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  13. Tester Guest

    Re: Microsoft Security Essentials / Windows Updates Question -thanks to all who responded and an update.

    SC Tom wrote:
    >


    > Zone Alarm doesn't.
    >


    Is it any good? Why is it free? MSSE is free because M$ wants to
    protect its reputation (because windows is defective) but why should any
    third party vendor give out free stuff? There is no evidence that
    people buy their professional/paid up versions.


    >
    > Protect yourself for sure. http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
    >


    I start by deflecting Microsoft Spywares. The rest can take care of
    themselves!
    Tester, Jun 18, 2011
    #13
  14. Nil Guest

    Re: Microsoft Security Essentials / Windows Updates Question - thanks to all who responded and an update.

    On 17 Jun 2011, wrote in alt.windows7.general:

    > According to this, installing MSSE does turn Windows Update back
    > on.
    >
    > http://www.infoworld.com/t/anti-virus/warning-microsoft-security-es
    > sentials-installer-zaps-automatic-updates-setting-804
    >
    > Just for grins, I uninstalled MSSE, set Windows update to never,
    > installed MSSE and Windows update was set back to automatic.
    >
    > Must be happening to somebody other than me for the article to get
    > written.


    It does not happen to me.
    Nil, Jun 18, 2011
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  15. choro Guest

    On 17/06/2011 21:32, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
    > On 6/17/2011, VanguardLH posted:
    >> choro wrote:

    >
    >>> Chet wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> I alway set automatic updates to "Never check for updates." However,
    >>>> something keeps turning it back on and I suspect it is MSSE. Anyone
    >>>> else seen automatic updates revert back to "Install Updates
    >>>> Automatticaly" for any reason and or know of a fix for this?
    >>>
    >>> Yes, switch over to Linux!

    >
    >> Oooh, goochie goochie goo, whadda cute widdle baby you are. Hee hee hee
    >> hee hee, you looks so funny banging on the keyboard to imitate Daddie.

    >
    >> choro on the keyboard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XKnpkYTtIY

    >
    > Judging by her frustration, she must have been interfacing with a Linux
    > distro.
    >
    > In about a year, she'll probably be texting her toddler friends, ya think?


    Judging by the reactions I got, I must have hit a raw nerve!
    -- choro --
    choro, Jun 18, 2011
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  16. Adrian C Guest

    On 17/06/2011 13:34, wrote:
    > I alway set automatic updates to "Never check for updates." However, something keeps turning
    > it back on and I suspect it is MSSE. Anyone else seen automatic updates revert back to "Install Updates Automatticaly"
    > for any reason and or know of a fix for this?


    If online, I do hope you do actually download and install updates at
    least in a timely fashion. If not, then its pointless also using an
    antivirus product, so you might also want to be rid of that?

    I'm trying to teach you to suck eggs but If that is your idea, beware.
    You *will* lose data, spread virues and risk identity theft - and most
    of that will be down to having an unpatched machine on the net. Keep
    financial data well away from this machine.

    FWIW I've been running Secunia 'Personal Software Inspector' on this
    Windows 7 machine for a little while. Interesting application, which
    aims to patch Windows applications and everything else. It's free.

    http://secunia.com/

    --
    Adrian C
    Adrian C, Jun 18, 2011
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  17. SC Tom Guest

    Re: Microsoft Security Essentials / Windows Updates Question - thanks to all who responded and an update.

    "Tester" <> wrote in message
    news:itha1m$7lq$...
    >
    >
    > SC Tom wrote:
    >>

    >
    >> Zone Alarm doesn't.
    >>

    >
    > Is it any good? Why is it free? MSSE is free because M$ wants to
    > protect its reputation (because windows is defective) but why should any
    > third party vendor give out free stuff? There is no evidence that
    > people buy their professional/paid up versions.
    >


    Works well for me. The firewall is free, but the suites cost. There is
    plenty of eveidence that users buy it- they're still in business after more
    than a decade. A non-open source program doesn't stay around if no one buys
    it enough for the company to make a profit. Simple capitalism :)

    >
    >>
    >> Protect yourself for sure. http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
    >>

    >
    > I start by deflecting Microsoft Spywares. The rest can take care of
    > themselves!
    >
    SC Tom, Jun 18, 2011
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  18. Adrian C wrote:
    > On 17/06/2011 13:34, wrote:
    >> I alway set automatic updates to "Never check for updates."
    >> However, something keeps turning it back on and I suspect it is
    >> MSSE. Anyone else seen automatic updates revert back to "Install
    >> Updates Automatticaly" for any reason and or know of a fix for
    >> this?

    >
    > If online, I do hope you do actually download and install updates at
    > least in a timely fashion. If not, then its pointless also using an
    > antivirus product, so you might also want to be rid of that?
    >
    > I'm trying to teach you to suck eggs but If that is your idea,
    > beware. You *will* lose data, spread virues and risk identity theft -
    > and most of that will be down to having an unpatched machine on the
    > net. Keep financial data well away from this machine.
    >
    > FWIW I've been running Secunia 'Personal Software Inspector' on this
    > Windows 7 machine for a little while. Interesting application, which
    > aims to patch Windows applications and everything else. It's free.
    >
    > http://secunia.com/


    Cool. The online scan picked up two programs that needed patching, so I
    installed the local version. Everything patched, but one end-of-life
    program, an antique version (5) of Paint Shop Pro. Very handy way to
    stay current.

    --
    Crash

    "The fewer the facts, the stronger the opinion."
    ~ Arnold H. Glasow ~
    Dave \Crash\ Dummy, Jun 18, 2011
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  19. ray Guest

    On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 08:16:58 +0100, choro wrote:

    > On 17/06/2011 21:32, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
    >> On 6/17/2011, VanguardLH posted:
    >>> choro wrote:

    >>
    >>>> Chet wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> I alway set automatic updates to "Never check for updates." However,
    >>>>> something keeps turning it back on and I suspect it is MSSE. Anyone
    >>>>> else seen automatic updates revert back to "Install Updates
    >>>>> Automatticaly" for any reason and or know of a fix for this?
    >>>>
    >>>> Yes, switch over to Linux!

    >>
    >>> Oooh, goochie goochie goo, whadda cute widdle baby you are. Hee hee
    >>> hee hee hee, you looks so funny banging on the keyboard to imitate
    >>> Daddie.

    >>
    >>> choro on the keyboard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XKnpkYTtIY

    >>
    >> Judging by her frustration, she must have been interfacing with a Linux
    >> distro.
    >>
    >> In about a year, she'll probably be texting her toddler friends, ya
    >> think?

    >
    > Judging by the reactions I got, I must have hit a raw nerve! -- choro --


    Yes. You are the only one who offered a definite solution, instead of
    "try this" or "no, MSE is not to blame - try this", etc.
    ray, Jun 18, 2011
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  20. Bob I Guest

    On 6/18/2011 09:08, ray wrote:
    > On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 08:16:58 +0100, choro wrote:
    >
    >> On 17/06/2011 21:32, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
    >>> On 6/17/2011, VanguardLH posted:
    >>>> choro wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>> Chet wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> I alway set automatic updates to "Never check for updates." However,
    >>>>>> something keeps turning it back on and I suspect it is MSSE. Anyone
    >>>>>> else seen automatic updates revert back to "Install Updates
    >>>>>> Automatticaly" for any reason and or know of a fix for this?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Yes, switch over to Linux!
    >>>
    >>>> Oooh, goochie goochie goo, whadda cute widdle baby you are. Hee hee
    >>>> hee hee hee, you looks so funny banging on the keyboard to imitate
    >>>> Daddie.
    >>>
    >>>> choro on the keyboard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XKnpkYTtIY
    >>>
    >>> Judging by her frustration, she must have been interfacing with a Linux
    >>> distro.
    >>>
    >>> In about a year, she'll probably be texting her toddler friends, ya
    >>> think?

    >>
    >> Judging by the reactions I got, I must have hit a raw nerve! -- choro --

    >
    > Yes. You are the only one who offered a definite solution, instead of
    > "try this" or "no, MSE is not to blame - try this", etc.


    Swapping one problem for a complete new set of problems is never a solution.
    Bob I, Jun 18, 2011
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