Internet Explorer 10 vs. Windows Update

[..winston]

<qp>
To help our customers become more secure and up-to-date, Microsoft will distribute Windows Internet Explorer 10 as an important
update through Automatic Updates for Windows 7 SP1 and higher for x64 and x86 and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1 and higher for x64.
</qp>


Other related info for IE10:
Do Not Track is enabled by default
<http://arstechnica.com/information-...dded-flash-do-not-track-and-stable-standards/

Unlike IE10 on Windows 8 - IE10 for Windows 7 **does not** come with an Adobe Flash plug-in pre-installed (in IE10)
http://arstechnica.com/information-...ernet-explorer-10-finally-comes-to-windows-7/

IE10 Compatibility list (*.xml format)
<http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=242586

If you don't wish to receive IE10 for Windows 7 SP1 and higher as an important update through Windows Update (Automatic Updates)
see:
Toolkit to Disable Automatic Delivery of Internet Explorer 10
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=36512

 

[Dave \Crash\ Dummy]

...winston wrote:

If you don't wish to receive IE10 for Windows 7 SP1 and higher as an
important update through Windows Update (Automatic Updates) see:
Toolkit to Disable Automatic Delivery of Internet Explorer 10
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=36512

Why would I want to block IE 10? What does it do that I wouldn't like?
I'm not looking to argue; I really want some input before I decide. I
am currently using IE8. I chose not to update to IR9.

 

[Mellowed]

..winston wrote:


Why would I want to block IE 10? What does it do that I wouldn't like?
I'm not looking to argue; I really want some input before I decide. I
am currently using IE8. I chose not to update to IR9.

My WIN8 laptop is running IE10 and I like it. It is much faster than
IE9. I will definitely upgrade IE9 to IE10 on my new WIN 7 desktop when
it becomes available. If you don't like it, past upgrades could be
easily removed to the original. I would think that the IE10 upgrade
would fit past experience. BTW, I think you would have liked IE9.

 

[Jeff Layman]

My WIN8 laptop is running IE10 and I like it. It is much faster than
IE9. I will definitely upgrade IE9 to IE10 on my new WIN 7 desktop when
it becomes available. If you don't like it, past upgrades could be
easily removed to the original.

Are you sure about that? I can't find any mention of IE9 in Control
Panel | Programs and Features/Installed Updates. On that basis, it
can't be uninstalled in the usual way.

It's a known problem - eg see
http://www.computeractive.co.uk/ca/pc-help/2188258/how-to-uninstall-internet-explorer-9-from-your-pc
or http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2579295

Let's hope the installation process for IE10 is more reliable, although
as I almost never use IE9, maybe I won't install it anyway.

 

[..winston]

"Dave "Crash" Dummy" wrote in message Why would I want to block IE 10? What does it do that I wouldn't like?
I'm not looking to argue; I really want some input before I decide. I
am currently using IE8. I chose not to update to IR9.
Your choice.
The purpose of the post was to inform not recommend (what to do)

If one does not wish IE10 after doing research on what it brings to the table just pass the dish (ensure it doesn' t auto-install
or reconfigure WU to something else besides auto or disable via the toolkit).

I've no complaints on IE10 in 32 or 64 bit mode on Win8 preferring IE10 Desktop for some tasks, IE10 Modern UI for others and
SeaMonkey 2.15.x for others.

Currently using IE9 and SeaMonkey on Win7 32 and 64 bit.

One of the most notable differences (from a security angle) in IE10 on Win8 is how it handles EPM (Enhanced Protected Mode) in 32
and 64 bit mode (Desktop and Modern UI) compared to the same on IE10 in Win7

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2012/03/14/enhanced-protected-mode.aspx

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ieinternals...rk-security-addons-cookies-metro-desktop.aspx

 

[Robin Bignall]

<qp>
To help our customers become more secure and up-to-date, Microsoft will distribute Windows Internet Explorer 10 as an important
update through Automatic Updates for Windows 7 SP1 and higher for x64 and x86 and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1 and higher for x64.
</qp>


Other related info for IE10:
Do Not Track is enabled by default
<http://arstechnica.com/information-...dded-flash-do-not-track-and-stable-standards/

Unlike IE10 on Windows 8 - IE10 for Windows 7 **does not** come with an Adobe Flash plug-in pre-installed (in IE10)
http://arstechnica.com/information-...ernet-explorer-10-finally-comes-to-windows-7/

This above allows download of a "Release preview" version of IE10 that
seems to work and that will automatically update to the final version
via Windows Update when it appears officially.

 

[..winston]

"Robin Bignall" wrote in message

This above allows download of a "Release preview" version of IE10 that
seems to work and that will automatically update to the final version
via Windows Update when it appears officially.

Yes, that' how I understand what will happen if the IE10 Preview is installed.

IE 10 (desktop) final version for Windows 7 has yet to be released (RTM or RTW)
The IE10 Disable Toolkit is being released in advance (like previous IE autoupdate toolkits) to allow consumers and business to
plan ahead.

The Important Update via Windows Updates for IE10 on Win7 applies not only to IE10 Preview but to all prior installed IE versions
(e.g. 8 and 9)

 

[Mellowed]

Are you sure about that? I can't find any mention of IE9 in Control
Panel | Programs and Features/Installed Updates. On that basis, it
can't be uninstalled in the usual way.

It's a known problem - eg see
http://www.computeractive.co.uk/ca/pc-help/2188258/how-to-uninstall-internet-explorer-9-from-your-pc
or http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2579295

Let's hope the installation process for IE10 is more reliable, although
as I almost never use IE9, maybe I won't install it anyway.

Well, it looks like you are correct. In the past I have always been
able to go to Installed Updates and uninstall any update. I went to
Installed updates on this Vista computer and the total choices since
1/2007 only had 43 updates. My IE9 was installed on 2/14/2012 according
to Update History. That date is not even listed in Installed Updates.
So I don't know. Since I like IE9 much better than IE8 I never tried
to uninstall it.

 

[XS11E]

Are you sure about that? I can't find any mention of IE9 in
Control Panel | Programs and Features/Installed Updates. On that
basis, it can't be uninstalled in the usual way.

?? It's right there. I just checked. I removed IE 10 several times
until I finally decided I liked it...

 

[Mellowed]

?? It's right there. I just checked. I removed IE 10 several times
until I finally decided I liked it...

Not exactly the same thing. The question was removing an IE9 update
from IE8. IE10 is not released yet so you must be using a Beta.

 

[Ken Blake]

IE10 is not released yet so you must be using a Beta.

That's not exactly true. IE10 was released for Windows Server 2012 on
September 5, 2012, and for Windows 8 on October 26, 2012.

So many people can use it, and are using it. But those running Windows
7 can't run anything but a release preview of it.

 

[Robin Bignall]

That's not exactly true. IE10 was released for Windows Server 2012 on
September 5, 2012, and for Windows 8 on October 26, 2012.

So many people can use it, and are using it. But those running Windows
7 can't run anything but a release preview of it.

Which seems to work, as far as I can tell after a few hours.

 

[Mellowed]

That's not exactly true. IE10 was released for Windows Server 2012 on
September 5, 2012, and for Windows 8 on October 26, 2012.

So many people can use it, and are using it. But those running Windows
7 can't run anything but a release preview of it.

This is a WIN 7 discussion site and the comment was addressed to WIN7
uses. I use IE10 on WIN 8.

 

[Ken Blake]

Which seems to work, as far as I can tell after a few hours.

It may work, but it isn't necessarily the same as what gets released.

I never used the release preview,and I've hardly looked at IE10 here
on Windows 8 (I prefer to use Maxthon), so I have next to no knowledge
or opinion about how well it (whether "it" is the release preview or
the RTM version) works nor whether I like it.

 

[Ken Blake]

This is a WIN 7 discussion site and the comment was addressed to WIN7
uses. I use IE10 on WIN 8.

Understood, and I thought that was what you meant. Nevertheless, you
didn't make that clear and so I added my clarification (note that I
said "not *exactly* true," not that what you said was completely
wrong.

 

[..winston]

"Mellowed" wrote in message Not exactly the same thing. The question was removing an IE9 update
from IE8. IE10 is not released yet so you must be using a Beta.
I'm sure its not exactly what you meant in the above statement.

Basically one can't remove an IE9 update from IE8. Removing IE9 removes IE9 files and some o/s files packaged with it and restores
earlier IE8 files (if still present in Windows dll folders and other o/s cache locations)

Reverting to a prior IE (9 back to 8) though is easier than it used to be if IE7 or IE8 was installed after XP Service Pack 3 which
may have required removal of SP3.

 

[Jeff Layman]

"Mellowed" wrote in message
Not exactly the same thing. The question was removing an IE9 update
from IE8. IE10 is not released yet so you must be using a Beta.

I'm sure its not exactly what you meant in the above statement.

Basically one can't remove an IE9 update from IE8.

Not sure what that means. Surely a new number for IE doesn't mean it's
an update. (Or is it only MS who thinks new versions are updates -
according to "WU"?)

Removing IE9 removes IE9 files and some o/s files packaged with it and
restores

earlier IE8 files (if still present in Windows dll folders and other o/s cache locations)

Reverting to a prior IE (9 back to 8) though is easier than it used to be if IE7 or IE8 was installed after XP Service Pack 3 which
may have required removal of SP3.

Well, this ii meant to be a Win7 newsgroup. In my above reply to
Mellowed, I pointed out that it may not be simple to remove IE9 (from
Win7).as other installed programs as it doesn't appear in the "Installed
Updates" list.

 

[..winston]

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message Not sure what that means. Surely a new number for IE doesn't mean it's
an update. (Or is it only MS who thinks new versions are updates -
according to "WU"?)

Well, this ii meant to be a Win7 newsgroup. In my above reply to
Mellowed, I pointed out that it may not be simple to remove IE9 (from
Win7).as other installed programs as it doesn't appear in the "Installed
Updates" list.
In MSFT-speak IE updates/upgrades can be confusing terminology.

As far as Windows Update is concerned the IE9 version (after release RTM/RTW) was deployed to local admin accounts as an 'Automatic
Update' via a notification balloon with the options to (Install, Don't Install, Ask Me Later) to Win7 users regardless of how
Windows Update was configured (auto, download but notify to install, notify before download and install). The user could proceed to
install via the balloon notification. Subsequently if Win7 was configured to download and install updates automatically then IE9
was deployed as an Important Update and those users were automatically upgraded to IE9 unless having previously chosen/responded
'Do not install' to the notification balloon.

You are correct..For the majority of users removing IE9 and reverting back to a prior version was available via Program &
Features/View installed updates...for others lacking that option the command line approach was necessary (Fyi...that same command
line approach was available to remove IE8 and return to IE7)

That does not preclude the ability to download the appropriate bits separately (usually larger in size, due to the installer
engine, than the deployed Windows Update version) which also placed an item in Programs and Features etc.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/internet-explorer/downloads/ie-9/worldwide-languages

One can read more about IE9's update/auto-upgrade approach here:
Internet Explorer 9 Delivery Through Automatic Updates
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/gg615599.aspx


And from all appearance, it looks like IE10 may follow the same approach including a Toolkit to block delivery via WU and
eventually an optional full version download link.

 

[gufus]

<qp>
To help our customers become more secure and up-to-date, Microsoft will distribute Windows Internet Explorer 10 as an important
update through Automatic Updates for Windows 7 SP1 and higher for x64 and x86 and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1 and higher for x64.
</qp>

Thanks for the info.

 

[Jeff Layman]

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message

(snip)

You are correct..For the majority of users removing IE9 and reverting
back to a prior version was available via Program & Features/View
installed updates...for others lacking that option the command line
approach was necessary (Fyi...that same command line approach was
available to remove IE8 and return to IE7)

Is it known why it doesn't appear in Program & Features for some setups?
Is it consistent - so that if the issue existed with IE7 to IE8, it
would exist with IE8 to IE9?

And from all appearance, it looks like IE10 may follow the same
approach including a Toolkit to block delivery via WU and eventually
an optional full version download link.

Looks like it might be prudent for me to keep the command line method
webpage link handy. ;-)