T-Bird set up

I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get it. I
tried making a news group account a couple times but I am missing
something. When I try to have it go to the feed and get groups it denies
access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong on their end which I thought since
it works on my desktop here. Unfortunately they only have instructions
for OE, which works the same as WLM. The new laptop had WLM 2011 already
on it from Toshiba so I tried it and it of course works. I think I am
missing a step somewhere. I click on account actions. Add other account.
check newsgroup account. I get the your name and e-mail. Enter newsgroup
server. Then it asks me to name this account, I called it news just like
this one, and that's it. When I try to download the list of groups with
my password it of course fails. The one step I cant seem to find is
where I enter account name my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is where the
catch is. I tired a search but it seems to show up nothing. Damned if I
can remember now how I got it to work on this machine and my old laptop
now.

--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]

On 5/3/2011 4:50 PM, Alex Clayton wrote:
> I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get it. I
> tried making a news group account a couple times but I am missing
> something. When I try to have it go to the feed and get groups it denies
> access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong on their end which I thought since
> it works on my desktop here. Unfortunately they only have instructions
> for OE, which works the same as WLM. The new laptop had WLM 2011 already
> on it from Toshiba so I tried it and it of course works. I think I am
> missing a step somewhere. I click on account actions. Add other account.
> check newsgroup account. I get the your name and e-mail. Enter newsgroup
> server. Then it asks me to name this account, I called it news just like
> this one, and that's it. When I try to download the list of groups with
> my password it of course fails. The one step I cant seem to find is
> where I enter account name my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is where the
> catch is. I tired a search but it seems to show up nothing. Damned if I
> can remember now how I got it to work on this machine and my old laptop
> now.
>

TB should have asked you for User-id and psw to connect to the NNTP
server when you tried to subscribe to a site to get the list of NG(s),
if you have a valid connection based on ISP's NNTP server name.

At least that's what happens for me on the 3 machines I use TB to access
NG(s). It should ask you with pop-up screens to give the credentials,
and a check box on each pop-up screen to tell TB to save the credentials.

Alex Clayton wrote:
> I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get it. I
> tried making a news group account a couple times but I am missing
> something. When I try to have it go to the feed and get groups it denies
> access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong on their end which I thought since
> it works on my desktop here. Unfortunately they only have instructions
> for OE, which works the same as WLM. The new laptop had WLM 2011 already
> on it from Toshiba so I tried it and it of course works. I think I am
> missing a step somewhere. I click on account actions. Add other account.
> check newsgroup account. I get the your name and e-mail. Enter newsgroup
> server. Then it asks me to name this account, I called it news just like
> this one, and that's it. When I try to download the list of groups with
> my password it of course fails. The one step I cant seem to find is
> where I enter account name my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is where the
> catch is. I tired a search but it seems to show up nothing. Damned if I
> can remember now how I got it to work on this machine and my old laptop
> now.
>

One trick in Thunderbird is to click the box

"Always Request Authentication when connecting to this server"

Basically, Thunderbird can attempt to connect with authentication
or without it.

If you enable authentication, Thunderbird will ask you for the username
and password necessary to access the news server.

If you disable authentication, Thunderbird will try to connect without
sending the username and password. And on a fully authenticated
server, this will fail.

Some servers, such as Eternal-September, support both with and without
authentication. If you disable authentication in Thunderbird, you can
connect to that server without a username/password. But there will only
be about a dozen newsgroups in the groups list, including the ".support"
newsgroup where you can ask the server administrator any questions you
might have. By supporting non-authenticated connections, it allows the
user to post to the ".support" group and get help.

If you enable authentication and connect to that server, then fetch the
groups list, there will be thousands of news groups in the list. And
that helps confirm you are actually logged in using your username/password.

You can occasionally find a web page, that gives details on setting
up Thunderbird. In this example, they're using authentication as well
as port 563 for encrypting the path to the server (so no third party
can eavesdrop - but this also prevents you from using Wireshark for
debugging a session). If you used port 119, your username and password
are sent in plaintext (which is what I'm doing right now).

http://www.stanford.edu/services/use..._pc/index.html

Paul

"Alex Clayton" <> wrote in message
news:...
> I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get it. I
> tried making a news group account a couple times but I am missing
> something. When I try to have it go to the feed and get groups it denies
> access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong on their end which I thought since
> it works on my desktop here. Unfortunately they only have instructions for
> OE, which works the same as WLM. The new laptop had WLM 2011 already on it
> from Toshiba so I tried it and it of course works. I think I am missing a
> step somewhere. I click on account actions. Add other account. check
> newsgroup account. I get the your name and e-mail. Enter newsgroup server.
> Then it asks me to name this account, I called it news just like this one,
> and that's it. When I try to download the list of groups with my password
> it of course fails. The one step I cant seem to find is where I enter
> account name my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is where the catch is. I tired
> a search but it seems to show up nothing. Damned if I can remember now how
> I got it to work on this machine and my old laptop now.
>
> --
> "Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
> Moderation is for monks."
>
> [Lazarus Long]

FWIW, I just tried really really hard to switch to TBird and failed
miserably. I finally got the newsgroups to work, only to encounter other
problems I couldn't solve.

On 5/3/2011 3:22 PM, Paul wrote:
> Alex Clayton wrote:
>> I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get it.
>> I tried making a news group account a couple times but I am missing
>> something. When I try to have it go to the feed and get groups it
>> denies access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong on their end which I
>> thought since it works on my desktop here. Unfortunately they only
>> have instructions for OE, which works the same as WLM. The new laptop
>> had WLM 2011 already on it from Toshiba so I tried it and it of course
>> works. I think I am missing a step somewhere. I click on account
>> actions. Add other account. check newsgroup account. I get the your
>> name and e-mail. Enter newsgroup server. Then it asks me to name this
>> account, I called it news just like this one, and that's it. When I
>> try to download the list of groups with my password it of course
>> fails. The one step I cant seem to find is where I enter account name
>> my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is where the catch is. I tired a search
>> but it seems to show up nothing. Damned if I can remember now how I
>> got it to work on this machine and my old laptop now.
>>
>
> One trick in Thunderbird is to click the box
>
> "Always Request Authentication when connecting to this server"
>
> Basically, Thunderbird can attempt to connect with authentication
> or without it.
>
> If you enable authentication, Thunderbird will ask you for the username
> and password necessary to access the news server.
>
> If you disable authentication, Thunderbird will try to connect without
> sending the username and password. And on a fully authenticated
> server, this will fail.
>
> Some servers, such as Eternal-September, support both with and without
> authentication. If you disable authentication in Thunderbird, you can
> connect to that server without a username/password. But there will only
> be about a dozen newsgroups in the groups list, including the ".support"
> newsgroup where you can ask the server administrator any questions you
> might have. By supporting non-authenticated connections, it allows the
> user to post to the ".support" group and get help.
>
> If you enable authentication and connect to that server, then fetch the
> groups list, there will be thousands of news groups in the list. And
> that helps confirm you are actually logged in using your username/password.
>
> You can occasionally find a web page, that gives details on setting
> up Thunderbird. In this example, they're using authentication as well
> as port 563 for encrypting the path to the server (so no third party
> can eavesdrop - but this also prevents you from using Wireshark for
> debugging a session). If you used port 119, your username and password
> are sent in plaintext (which is what I'm doing right now).
>
> http://www.stanford.edu/services/use..._pc/index.html
>
> Paul


I tried but unless there is something else that will not work. I can
check that box but it has still never asked me for the account name
which is the step missing. If I remember right this was why I could not
use T-Bird years ago when I tried. I now of course can't remember how I
stumbled onto it the couple times I got it to work. Even walking through
this working account I can not find that step, yet it had to be there
somewhere in the set up.

--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]

On 5/3/2011 5:01 PM, Thip wrote:
> "Alex Clayton" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get it.
>> I tried making a news group account a couple times but I am missing
>> something. When I try to have it go to the feed and get groups it
>> denies access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong on their end which I
>> thought since it works on my desktop here. Unfortunately they only
>> have instructions for OE, which works the same as WLM. The new laptop
>> had WLM 2011 already on it from Toshiba so I tried it and it of course
>> works. I think I am missing a step somewhere. I click on account
>> actions. Add other account. check newsgroup account. I get the your
>> name and e-mail. Enter newsgroup server. Then it asks me to name this
>> account, I called it news just like this one, and that's it. When I
>> try to download the list of groups with my password it of course
>> fails. The one step I cant seem to find is where I enter account name
>> my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is where the catch is. I tired a search
>> but it seems to show up nothing. Damned if I can remember now how I
>> got it to work on this machine and my old laptop now.
>>
>> --
>> "Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
>> Moderation is for monks."
>>
>> [Lazarus Long]
>
> FWIW, I just tried really really hard to switch to TBird and failed
> miserably. I finally got the newsgroups to work, only to encounter other
> problems I couldn't solve.


Well at least it's not just me then. :-)
I am about to just give it up. I am starting to think maybe they
changed something. I can find a couple sites that show step by step
instructions but they are not the same as I am seeing on the version I
loaded today.Guess I will see if I can find the old version of live mail
for now.

--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]

On 5/3/2011 8:01 PM, Thip wrote:
> "Alex Clayton" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get it.
>> I tried making a news group account a couple times but I am missing
>> something. When I try to have it go to the feed and get groups it
>> denies access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong on their end which I
>> thought since it works on my desktop here. Unfortunately they only
>> have instructions for OE, which works the same as WLM. The new laptop
>> had WLM 2011 already on it from Toshiba so I tried it and it of course
>> works. I think I am missing a step somewhere. I click on account
>> actions. Add other account. check newsgroup account. I get the your
>> name and e-mail. Enter newsgroup server. Then it asks me to name this
>> account, I called it news just like this one, and that's it. When I
>> try to download the list of groups with my password it of course
>> fails. The one step I cant seem to find is where I enter account name
>> my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is where the catch is. I tired a search
>> but it seems to show up nothing. Damned if I can remember now how I
>> got it to work on this machine and my old laptop now.
>>
>> --
>> "Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
>> Moderation is for monks."
>>
>> [Lazarus Long]
>
> FWIW, I just tried really really hard to switch to TBird and failed
> miserably. I finally got the newsgroups to work, only to encounter other
> problems I couldn't solve.

I don't understand this. TB has always worked for the NNTP servers east
and west coast servers at Earthlink. I use TB with Windows mail on my
laptop running Vista, on my Windows 7 desktop and on my XP machine at
work. I just tell TB on the NNTP account setup what the NNTP address is
for the NNTP server.

After I do that, then when I do my first scribe to to get the list of
NG(s) from the server, TB asked for the User-ID and psw to a access the
NG server. I give the credentials onetime and tell TB to remember the
credentials.

I have had no problems with TB. There is nowhere that I have seen where
you can give a user-id and psw for TB at account setup for NNTP, POP3
and SMTP services. It always ask for the user-id and psw credentials at
initial contact with the provider's servers or you did not tell TB to
remember the credentials once they are given.

It is still working on my desktop also. It was working on the laptop I just
formatted today. All these are w-7. The problem has nothing to do with not
telling it to remember, it is not allowing one step. It for some reason is
not allowing me to enter the name the ISP uses for my account. It is letting
me enter the info for the news feed, and my password, but there is no place
I can find to enter the one part it needs. So of course when I tell it to
start loading groups it is denied access to the server. I will keep playing
with it. Hopefully I will stumble onto how I did it a while back. Should
have made a note of it. for the people who are going to get all bent out of
shape about me posting this on WLM I am sitting here with the new laptop and
am too lazy to walk back to the desktop.



"Big Steel" wrote in message
news:...


I don't understand this. TB has always worked for the NNTP servers east
and west coast servers at Earthlink. I use TB with Windows mail on my
laptop running Vista, on my Windows 7 desktop and on my XP machine at
work. I just tell TB on the NNTP account setup what the NNTP address is
for the NNTP server.

After I do that, then when I do my first scribe to to get the list of
NG(s) from the server, TB asked for the User-ID and psw to a access the
NG server. I give the credentials onetime and tell TB to remember the
credentials.

I have had no problems with TB. There is nowhere that I have seen where
you can give a user-id and psw for TB at account setup for NNTP, POP3
and SMTP services. It always ask for the user-id and psw credentials at
initial contact with the provider's servers or you did not tell TB to
remember the credentials once they are given.

On 5/3/2011 7:42 PM, Big Steel wrote:
> On 5/3/2011 8:01 PM, Thip wrote:
>> "Alex Clayton" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get it.
>>> I tried making a news group account a couple times but I am missing
>>> something. When I try to have it go to the feed and get groups it
>>> denies access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong on their end which I
>>> thought since it works on my desktop here. Unfortunately they only
>>> have instructions for OE, which works the same as WLM. The new laptop
>>> had WLM 2011 already on it from Toshiba so I tried it and it of course
>>> works. I think I am missing a step somewhere. I click on account
>>> actions. Add other account. check newsgroup account. I get the your
>>> name and e-mail. Enter newsgroup server. Then it asks me to name this
>>> account, I called it news just like this one, and that's it. When I
>>> try to download the list of groups with my password it of course
>>> fails. The one step I cant seem to find is where I enter account name
>>> my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is where the catch is. I tired a search
>>> but it seems to show up nothing. Damned if I can remember now how I
>>> got it to work on this machine and my old laptop now.
>>>
>>> --
>>> "Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
>>> Moderation is for monks."
>>>
>>> [Lazarus Long]
>>
>> FWIW, I just tried really really hard to switch to TBird and failed
>> miserably. I finally got the newsgroups to work, only to encounter other
>> problems I couldn't solve.
>
> I don't understand this. TB has always worked for the NNTP servers east
> and west coast servers at Earthlink. I use TB with Windows mail on my
> laptop running Vista, on my Windows 7 desktop and on my XP machine at
> work. I just tell TB on the NNTP account setup what the NNTP address is
> for the NNTP server.
>
> After I do that, then when I do my first scribe to to get the list of
> NG(s) from the server, TB asked for the User-ID and psw to a access the
> NG server. I give the credentials onetime and tell TB to remember the
> credentials.
>
> I have had no problems with TB. There is nowhere that I have seen where
> you can give a user-id and psw for TB at account setup for NNTP, POP3
> and SMTP services. It always ask for the user-id and psw credentials at
> initial contact with the provider's servers or you did not tell TB to
> remember the credentials once they are given.


Persistence paid off finally!! I think I figured it out,I will have to
make some notes so the next time I have to do this it will not be such a
PITA. Between trying to get a new wireless router then this I deserved
this new laptop I bought myself. :-)

Thip wrote:
> "Alex Clayton" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get
>> it. I tried making a news group account a couple times but I am
>> missing something. When I try to have it go to the feed and get
>> groups it denies access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong on their end
>> which I thought since it works on my desktop here. Unfortunately
>> they only have instructions for OE, which works the same as WLM.
>> The new laptop had WLM 2011 already on it from Toshiba so I tried
>> it and it of course works. I think I am missing a step somewhere. I
>> click on account actions. Add other account. check newsgroup
>> account. I get the your name and e-mail. Enter newsgroup server.
>> Then it asks me to name this account, I called it news just like
>> this one, and that's it. When I try to download the list of groups
>> with my password it of course fails. The one step I cant seem to
>> find is where I enter account name my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is
>> where the catch is. I tired a search but it seems to show up
>> nothing. Damned if I can remember now how I got it to work on this
>> machine and my old laptop now.
>>
>> -- "Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big
>> bites. Moderation is for monks."
>>
>> [Lazarus Long]
>
> FWIW, I just tried really really hard to switch to TBird and failed
> miserably. I finally got the newsgroups to work, only to encounter
> other problems I couldn't solve.

FWIW, I am running Thunderbird 2 on Windows 7 Ultimate x64. I am
successfully subscribed to four news servers, including one that
requires authentication.
--
Crash

"The future ain't what it used to be."
~ Yogi Berra ~