Send Fax via Internet to a Phone number?

I have an ADVENT computer with Win 7 Home Edition and it is claimed to
have a built-in fax device but there is no trace of any fax hardware.
What they have is a worthless piece of crap. Avoid that computer.

Is it possible to send a fax from a computer without a modem via the
Internet to a regular fax machine? I would think it could be possible
but would require some software.

Comments appreciated.

TIA

Seum wrote:
> I have an ADVENT computer with Win 7 Home Edition and it is claimed to
> have a built-in fax device but there is no trace of any fax hardware.
> What they have is a worthless piece of crap. Avoid that computer.
>
> Is it possible to send a fax from a computer without a modem via the
> Internet to a regular fax machine? I would think it could be possible
> but would require some software.
>
> Comments appreciated.
>
> TIA

I have just come across something that might be of use:

Free fax progs from Susan Burger

<http://www.v3fax.com/freecc.htm>
"FREE CallCenter fully supports Windows 95/98, Windows NT3.51/4.0,
Windows2000, and Windows XP"

<http://www.v3fax.com/ccupgrade.htm>
"CallCenter Professional fully supports Windows 95/98, Windows
NT3.51/4.0 and Windows2000"

On 09 Apr 2011, Seum <> wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

> I have an ADVENT computer with Win 7 Home Edition and it is
> claimed to have a built-in fax device but there is no trace of any
> fax hardware. What they have is a worthless piece of crap. Avoid
> that computer.

You should speak to them about that.

> Is it possible to send a fax from a computer without a modem via
> the Internet to a regular fax machine? I would think it could be
> possible but would require some software.

http://www.google.com/search?q=internet+fax+service

On 4/9/2011 2:18 PM, Seum wrote:
> Seum wrote:
>> I have an ADVENT computer with Win 7 Home Edition and it is claimed to
>> have a built-in fax device but there is no trace of any fax hardware.
>> What they have is a worthless piece of crap. Avoid that computer.
>>
>> Is it possible to send a fax from a computer without a modem via the
>> Internet to a regular fax machine? I would think it could be possible
>> but would require some software.
>>
>> Comments appreciated.
>>
>> TIA
>
> I have just come across something that might be of use:
>
> Free fax progs from Susan Burger
>
> <http://www.v3fax.com/freecc.htm>
> "FREE CallCenter fully supports Windows 95/98, Windows NT3.51/4.0,
> Windows2000, and Windows XP"
>
> <http://www.v3fax.com/ccupgrade.htm>
> "CallCenter Professional fully supports Windows 95/98, Windows
> NT3.51/4.0 and Windows2000"

Here are some more.

http://www.a2.com/telecom/freefax.html

And yes, follow Nil's advice too.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo 2GHz - 1.5GB - Windows 7

On 4/9/2011 3:12 PM, Seum wrote:
> I have an ADVENT computer with Win 7 Home Edition and it is claimed to
> have a built-in fax device but there is no trace of any fax hardware.
> What they have is a worthless piece of crap. Avoid that computer.
>
> Is it possible to send a fax from a computer without a modem via the
> Internet to a regular fax machine? I would think it could be possible
> but would require some software.
>
> Comments appreciated.
>
> TIA

It's quite possible, If you don't mind paying a provider.
The general way that it works is that you send "the Fax" via Email or a
file transfer type scheme to the provider. You may need to use the
provider's client side software. The provider routes the "Fax" to the
appropriate sending fax location. The Fax is then sent to the desired
number(s).

There also was (Haven't kept up with things) client side software that
worked client to client, but I'd bet that this has fallen into non use.
Email is more convenient.

In the Win 3.0 3.1 days, this sort of software was more common.
The "TCPIP" stack was often third party, such as "SuperTCP" and had
extensions that were not included in the Microsoft stack for "security
reasons". There were newer versions that worked with Win 2K, but I've
not used them.

In article <Xns9EC29C8AB160Anilch1@130.133.4.11>, Nil at
says...
>
> On 09 Apr 2011, Seum <> wrote in
> alt.windows7.general:
>
> > I have an ADVENT computer with Win 7 Home Edition and it is
> > claimed to have a built-in fax device but there is no trace of any
> > fax hardware. What they have is a worthless piece of crap. Avoid
> > that computer.
>
> You should speak to them about that.
>
> > Is it possible to send a fax from a computer without a modem via
> > the Internet to a regular fax machine? I would think it could be
> > possible but would require some software.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=internet+fax+service

Look at:
http://www.tpc.int/tpc_home.html
http://askbobrankin.com/send_a_free_fax.html

But since most free services go thru third parties consider security of your
info because they are open for anyone to read.

External USB FAX Modems are inexpensive and easy to use and secure if you send
to the correct FAX number and the FAX software is free.

--
Zaidy036

Seum wrote:

> I have an ADVENT computer with Win 7 Home Edition and it is claimed to
> have a built-in fax device but there is no trace of any fax hardware.
> What they have is a worthless piece of crap. Avoid that computer.
>
> Is it possible to send a fax from a computer without a modem via the
> Internet to a regular fax machine? I would think it could be possible
> but would require some software.
>
> Comments appreciated.
>
> TIA

Free online fax sending services:
http://faxzero.com/
http://www.gotfreefax.com/

Free onine fax receiving services:
http://www.efax.com/
(free receive-only account but are hard to find on their web site)

Just remember that you are using someone else's faxing service. That
means the content of your faxes (inbound or outbound) are accessible to
that faxing service. They may claim to be secure but they may still get
stuck with an disgruntled or greedy employee. I have used them but not
for anything that has credit card, bank account, or other numbers or
data that I don't want anyone else seeing.

When someone tells me they can only accept fax, I know they are lying.
Everyone that does faxes also has computers on which they do e-mail. I
tell them I can only send them an e-mail and have no means of faxing
anything to them. There is no more security in sending faxes than in
sending e-mail. With e-mail, if you want, you can get digital certs to
encrypt your e-mails (you use the recipient's public key from their cert
to encrypt your e-mails sent to them and only they have the private key
to decrypt it). Secure faxing takes more effort and expense. I can get
e-mail certs for free.

On 4/9/2011 6:27 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
> Seum wrote:
>
>> I have an ADVENT computer with Win 7 Home Edition and it is claimed to
>> have a built-in fax device but there is no trace of any fax hardware.
>> What they have is a worthless piece of crap. Avoid that computer.
>>
>> Is it possible to send a fax from a computer without a modem via the
>> Internet to a regular fax machine? I would think it could be possible
>> but would require some software.
>>
>> Comments appreciated.
>>
>> TIA
>
> Free online fax sending services:
> http://faxzero.com/
> http://www.gotfreefax.com/
>
> Free onine fax receiving services:
> http://www.efax.com/
> (free receive-only account but are hard to find on their web site)
>
> Just remember that you are using someone else's faxing service. That
> means the content of your faxes (inbound or outbound) are accessible to
> that faxing service. They may claim to be secure but they may still get
> stuck with an disgruntled or greedy employee. I have used them but not
> for anything that has credit card, bank account, or other numbers or
> data that I don't want anyone else seeing.
>
> When someone tells me they can only accept fax, I know they are lying.
> Everyone that does faxes also has computers on which they do e-mail. I
> tell them I can only send them an e-mail and have no means of faxing
> anything to them. There is no more security in sending faxes than in
> sending e-mail. With e-mail, if you want, you can get digital certs to
> encrypt your e-mails (you use the recipient's public key from their cert
> to encrypt your e-mails sent to them and only they have the private key
> to decrypt it). Secure faxing takes more effort and expense. I can get
> e-mail certs for free.

Some government entities will not accept E-Mail from outside the .gov
or.mil domains. They will accept Fax.

"charlie" <> wrote:
> Some government entities will not accept E-Mail from outside the .gov
> or.mil domains. They will accept Fax.

Not just govt, but other security conscious entities as well. However,
as some posters noted earlier, such security cannot be assured with 3rd
party fax services. The only secure fax is phone-to-phone, using POTS
lines.

Cameo wrote:

> charlie wrote:
>
>> Some government entities will not accept E-Mail from outside the .gov
>> or.mil domains. They will accept Fax.
>
> Not just govt, but other security conscious entities as well. However,
> as some posters noted earlier, such security cannot be assured with 3rd
> party fax services. The only secure fax is phone-to-phone, using POTS
> lines.

There is nothing more secure about *normal* faxing than sending *normal*
e-mails. After all, EVERY fax machine is equipped to receive a normal
(unencrypted) fax so it takes no effort by someone intercepting your fax
traffic to convert it to legible format. Same for unencrypted e-mail.

Encrypting e-mail is pretty easy and can be done for free. If you want
to *receive* encrypted emails, you get a free e-mail cert and then
digitally sign (with your public key) an e-mail you send to whomever you
want to receive their encrypted e-mails. You use your private key that
only you have to decrypt the e-mail.

Encrypting faxes is also possible - but just how many senders do you
know of that have installed the software needed to support it? How many
faxes has a recipient ever told you about that required encrypting the
fax traffic to their fax end? I've seen some article about encrypting
faxes but they don't encrypt the traffic outside the network and to the
recipient. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../cc751106.aspx
mentions encryption but that's BEFORE the fax device (between your host,
network, and fax device to the external world). That doesn't encrypt it
outside the fax device where interception occurs. Encrypted faxes
(using special fax devices or software) will look like chicken scratches
if printed on a normal fax machine.

Again, unless encrypted, there is nothing more secure about a fax
transmission than an e-mail transmission. That the gov't are idiots and
attached to archaic technology is not really a surprise to everyone not
in the gov't.

http://global-security-solutions.com/ProtectFax.html
http://www.crypto.ch/fileadmin/01_cr...21-EN_0711.pdf
http://www.nabishi.com/fax-encryption.htm

Do you know of *free* encrypting fax software or fax devices? Even if
so, do you send those encrypted faxes to anyone other than to yourself
(i.e., within divisions of your own company)? That is, to whom have you
ever sent an encrypted fax assuming you had the means to encrypt the fax
that you send?

I haven't dealt with any military entities to send faxes to know if they
truly refuse to accept e-mails. I have sent e-mails to several .gov
entities when they claimed they only accepted fax but were told that I
had no fax functionality (I lied and did but didn't want to do faxing
and preferred e-mail) and they'd give me an e-mail address. They'd
often say that they needed a hardcopy and why they needed a fax copy,
whereupon I would remind them that their fax machine is nothing much
more than a printer and they could also print their e-mails. On some
occasions, they would accept the e-mail but required me to send in a
paper copy; however, in all cases, they ended up printing the e-mail,
anyway (gee, the letter must've gotten lost in the postal mail so you'll
have to print the e-mail copy before the arbitrary deadline). There are
a lot of idiots in gov't and business who only know what they've been
told is "policy" but you can often make them bend or break those rules.