Registry Cleaner

"LD55ZRA" <> wrote in message
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> "Tom Lake" <> wrote in message
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>> Ken has valid reasons to not recommend registry
>> cleaners.
>
> But he is recommending CCLEANER. Have you followed his post through?

Sure have. Ken sez:

"CCleaner *is* an excellent program. I personally use it and recommend
it to others.
However, I strongly recommend that you use its other functions, and
*not* its registry cleaning function."

The second sentence leads me to believe that he doesn't recommend
CCleaner as a registry cleaner.

Tom Lake

Tom Lake wrote:
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> "Ken Blake, MVP" <> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:39:09 -0000, "Quilljar" <not@home .today>
>> wrote:
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>>> Is there a reliable free Windows 7 Registry cleaner?
>>
>>
>> A common question here, and one that usually fosters all kinds of
>> disagreement.
>>
>> My answer is no. Not only is there not a reliable free one, there is
>> not even a reliable paid-for one. Here's my standard message on the
>> subject:
>
> My answer is yes. The two I use, CCleaner (free) and CleanMyPC
> (Commercial)
> both allow a registry backup before you let it make any changes and allow
> you to review and choose which suggested changes, if any, are to be made
> before anything is actually written to the registry. Of course you
> shouldn't just
> let the cleaner operate totally automatically just as pilots don't allow
> airplanes
> to takeoff, fly and land themselves even though they are fully capable
> of doing
> just that these days. I use the registry cleaners as a guide to
> cleaning, not a
> substitute for my judgment. There have been many times I've tried to
> reload
> software but was prevented by registry remnants (how's THAT for
> alliteration?)
> but registry cleaners allowed me to safely clean up the leftovers and
> reinstall
> the software. Ken, watch out when making absolute statements about
> *all* cleaners.
> When you make an absolute statement, it only takes one counterexample to
> prove the statement false.
>
> Tom Lake

Hey, who you callin' alliterate??? :>))
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TOM - Vista, CA - USA

LD55ZRA wrote:
> "Dave-UK" <> wrote in message
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>> As you seem to have a wide experience of registry cleaners and their
>> problems
>
> Now, now, now you are assuming things here! Ken Blake hasn't got any
> experience of formatting a hard disk never mind registry cleaners. He is on
> record to say that he hasn't had the need to reformat a HDD since Windows
> 3.1. Now anyone asking for his advice on registry cleaners is taking a
> terrible risk! Ken Blake is someone who could be described as a troll. He
> has been made an MVP by Microsoft to indicate Microsoft Valuable Pig. He is
> someone you take out your anger upon NOT Microsoft. He is the punch bag of
> Microsoft newsgroups. Perhaps this the reason why he was given the MVP by
> Microsoft - to divert attention from Microsoft's own failings.
>
> hth

Probably at this point, someone should say, it works for some, it
doesn't work for others so use at your own risk.

Different strokes, etc...

Just to keep the thread from becoming a pi**ing contest of egos. You
know, try being gentlemen and agree to disagree. After all, I doubt
neither camp will make converts of the other camp...
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TOM - Vista, CA - USA

"Dave" <> wrote in message news:...
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> "Ken Blake, MVP" <> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:01:31 -0500, "Dave" <>
>> wrote:
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>>> "milt" <> wrote in message
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>>> > On 3/13/2010 11:39 AM, LD55ZRA wrote:
>>> >> "Slap"<> wrote in message
>>> >> news:AyNmn.103535$...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "Quilljar"<not@home .today> wrote in message
>>> >>> news:...
>>> >>>> Is there a reliable free Windows 7 Registry cleaner?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I use CCleaner...
>>> >>> http://www.ccleaner.com/
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> So do I.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > I wish you both lucky when one day it hoses your registry and you can't
>>> > boot up and you can't figure out why. Don't blame Windows when it does!
>>> >
>>> Been a while since I used CC, but IIRC it creates a backup of the
>>> registry
>>> before hosing it, that way you can go back after getting hosed. :-D
>>
>>
>> You can get back *if* "getting hosed" does not include destroying your
>> ability to boot.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
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> I have to agree with you on this, especially since it's so hard to create a
> boot disk for Windows now. May not be possible at all for Windows 7, I
> haven't looked into this yet.
> Dave
>

What do you mean it's so hard to create a boot disk?
You create the bootable repair disk from within Win7.
Control Panel > System and Security > Backup and Restore.
On the left pane ' Create system repair disk'.
That will create a bootable CD image of around 140 M/b with enough basic tools
to get you going .
If you mean a BartPE type boot disk then you can make your own Win7 boot disk
with WinBuilder.
http://www.boot-land.net/forums/inde...showtopic=8774
If you want to see what's possible I can give you a link to one I made earlier.
It's about 250 M/b with a few extra tools and an XP/Vista/Win7 password editor,
registry editor etc.

Or you can get recovery discs from here:

Windows 7
http://neosmart.net/blog/2009/window...-repair-discs/

Windows Vista:
http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/window...disc-download/

hth

"Dave-UK" <> wrote in message
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> "Dave" <> wrote in message
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>> "Ken Blake, MVP" <> wrote in message
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>>> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:01:31 -0500, "Dave" <>
>>> wrote:
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>>>> "milt" <> wrote in message
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>>>> > On 3/13/2010 11:39 AM, LD55ZRA wrote:
>>>> >> "Slap"<> wrote in message
>>>> >> news:AyNmn.103535$...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> "Quilljar"<not@home .today> wrote in message
>>>> >>> news:...
>>>> >>>> Is there a reliable free Windows 7 Registry cleaner?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I use CCleaner...
>>>> >>> http://www.ccleaner.com/
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So do I.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > I wish you both lucky when one day it hoses your registry and you
>>>> > can't
>>>> > boot up and you can't figure out why. Don't blame Windows when it
>>>> > does!
>>>> >
>>>> Been a while since I used CC, but IIRC it creates a backup of the
>>>> registry
>>>> before hosing it, that way you can go back after getting hosed. :-D
>>>
>>>
>>> You can get back *if* "getting hosed" does not include destroying your
>>> ability to boot.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>>
>> I have to agree with you on this, especially since it's so hard to create
>> a boot disk for Windows now. May not be possible at all for Windows 7, I
>> haven't looked into this yet.
>> Dave
>
> What do you mean it's so hard to create a boot disk?
> You create the bootable repair disk from within Win7.
> Control Panel > System and Security > Backup and Restore.
> On the left pane ' Create system repair disk'.
> That will create a bootable CD image of around 140 M/b with enough basic
> tools
> to get you going .
> If you mean a BartPE type boot disk then you can make your own Win7 boot
> disk with WinBuilder.
> http://www.boot-land.net/forums/inde...showtopic=8774
> If you want to see what's possible I can give you a link to one I made
> earlier.
> It's about 250 M/b with a few extra tools and an XP/Vista/Win7 password
> editor, registry editor etc.
>
>
>
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>
>
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>

"Dave-UK" <> wrote in message
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> "Dave" <> wrote in message
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>> "Ken Blake, MVP" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:01:31 -0500, "Dave" <>
>>> wrote:
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "milt" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:hnh399$kmt$...
>>>> > On 3/13/2010 11:39 AM, LD55ZRA wrote:
>>>> >> "Slap"<> wrote in message
>>>> >> news:AyNmn.103535$...
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> "Quilljar"<not@home .today> wrote in message
>>>> >>> news:...
>>>> >>>> Is there a reliable free Windows 7 Registry cleaner?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I use CCleaner...
>>>> >>> http://www.ccleaner.com/
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So do I.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > I wish you both lucky when one day it hoses your registry and you
>>>> > can't
>>>> > boot up and you can't figure out why. Don't blame Windows when it
>>>> > does!
>>>> >
>>>> Been a while since I used CC, but IIRC it creates a backup of the
>>>> registry
>>>> before hosing it, that way you can go back after getting hosed. :-D
>>>
>>>
>>> You can get back *if* "getting hosed" does not include destroying your
>>> ability to boot.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>>
>> I have to agree with you on this, especially since it's so hard to create
>> a boot disk for Windows now. May not be possible at all for Windows 7, I
>> haven't looked into this yet.
>> Dave
>
> What do you mean it's so hard to create a boot disk?
> You create the bootable repair disk from within Win7.
> Control Panel > System and Security > Backup and Restore.
> On the left pane ' Create system repair disk'.
> That will create a bootable CD image of around 140 M/b with enough basic
> tools
> to get you going .
> If you mean a BartPE type boot disk then you can make your own Win7 boot
> disk with WinBuilder.
> http://www.boot-land.net/forums/inde...showtopic=8774
> If you want to see what's possible I can give you a link to one I made
> earlier.
> It's about 250 M/b with a few extra tools and an XP/Vista/Win7 password
> editor, registry editor etc.
>
>
Thanks for the tips, Dave. I would like to see what you built, if you post
the link I'll look at it.
Dave

"LD55ZRA" <> wrote in message
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> Or you can get recovery discs from here:
>
> Windows 7
> http://neosmart.net/blog/2009/window...-repair-discs/
>
> Windows Vista:
> http://neosmart.net/blog/2008/window...disc-download/
>
> hth

Thanks for the tip, I might do the recovery disk instead of building one.
The Bart style can take a lot of time so this might be a better option.
Dave

On 14/03/2010 20:38, LD55ZRA wrote:
> "Ken Blake, MVP"<> wrote in message
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>> Most of them do create registry backups. However if the result of
>> running the registry cleaner is an unbootable system (and that
>> sometimes happens), the backup isn't of great use.
>>
>
> Unless you know a thing or two about computers!!!! That is what backups are
> for.
>
>
>
Backups, no. Disk image, yes. The two are NOT synonymous....

On 14/03/2010 20:58, Leythos wrote:

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> As for Registry Cleaners, the only Registry "Cleaner" tool that I've
> ever used is the one included in Spy Bot Search and Destroy, and it has
> made a difference in several ways:
>
> 1) Removal of dead/forgotten keys
> 2) Removal of keys that no longer point to a proper location
> 3) Removal of keys that no long have valid parents
>


And all THAT does is to possibly reduce the size of the registry
slightly - it has almost no effect on performance...

"Dave" <> wrote in message news:...
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> "Dave-UK" <> wrote in message
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>> "Dave" <> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:01:31 -0500, "Dave" <>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "milt" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:hnh399$kmt$...
>>>>> > On 3/13/2010 11:39 AM, LD55ZRA wrote:
>>>>> >> "Slap"<> wrote in message
>>>>> >> news:AyNmn.103535$...
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> "Quilljar"<not@home .today> wrote in message
>>>>> >>> news:...
>>>>> >>>> Is there a reliable free Windows 7 Registry cleaner?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I use CCleaner...
>>>>> >>> http://www.ccleaner.com/
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> So do I.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I wish you both lucky when one day it hoses your registry and you
>>>>> > can't
>>>>> > boot up and you can't figure out why. Don't blame Windows when it
>>>>> > does!
>>>>> >
>>>>> Been a while since I used CC, but IIRC it creates a backup of the
>>>>> registry
>>>>> before hosing it, that way you can go back after getting hosed. :-D
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can get back *if* "getting hosed" does not include destroying your
>>>> ability to boot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
>>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>>>
>>> I have to agree with you on this, especially since it's so hard to create
>>> a boot disk for Windows now. May not be possible at all for Windows 7, I
>>> haven't looked into this yet.
>>> Dave
>>
>> What do you mean it's so hard to create a boot disk?
>> You create the bootable repair disk from within Win7.
>> Control Panel > System and Security > Backup and Restore.
>> On the left pane ' Create system repair disk'.
>> That will create a bootable CD image of around 140 M/b with enough basic
>> tools
>> to get you going .
>> If you mean a BartPE type boot disk then you can make your own Win7 boot
>> disk with WinBuilder.
>> http://www.boot-land.net/forums/inde...showtopic=8774
>> If you want to see what's possible I can give you a link to one I made
>> earlier.
>> It's about 250 M/b with a few extra tools and an XP/Vista/Win7 password
>> editor, registry editor etc.
>>
>>
> Thanks for the tips, Dave. I would like to see what you built, if you post
> the link I'll look at it.
> Dave
>

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=5B4FWYEL