Registry Cleaner

"Quilljar" <not@home .today> wrote in message news:...
> Is there a reliable free Windows 7 Registry cleaner?

CrapCleaner will be fine.
http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/features

"Peter Foldes" <> wrote in message news:hnjd54$1n4$...
> Dave-UK
>
>> As you seem to have a wide experience of registry cleaners and their
>> problems perhaps you could tell us which registry cleaner you have
>> actually had experience of that caused a system to become un-bootable?
>
> Not that someone has experience with Registry Cleaners but experience with what they
> can do. I frequent 57 different newsgroups and last week alone there was (counted
> them) 8 posts where an OP used a Registry Cleaning tool and did back ups and when
> they wanted to reboot then it did not go. This occurs on a weekly if not daily basis
> in one or another newsgroup. The latter does not take into consideration when after
> using one of those tools (CCleaner included) when some of the installed programs
> cease to work.
> Registry Cleaners are dangerous in the hands of people not knowing what it removes
> or what it does. I am against Reg Cleaning tools and when I need something
> changed,added,removed then I do it myself instead of one those snake oil ones that
> are widely available. CCleaners Reg tool included.
>
> I posted this MS KB below 8 times alone last week to help an OP that could not
> boot after using the Reg tool and could not get to the back ups to correct his error
> and never mind how many times over the last month alone this happens.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;q307545
>
> And occasionally the following
> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=822705
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> Peter
>

You don't have any experience of what they can do, all you
have is stories from other people.
The links you provided are for corrupt registry hives due to any
number of reasons and not once was a registry cleaner mentioned as
a possible culprit.
I repeat what I asked Ken Blake and Allen in this thread:

Name the registry cleaner that trashed a system so much it
became un-bootable.

I will test it and then provide feedback to the programs author
if it does what you and all the other people you 'helped' say it does.
Until somebody comes up with a name of a faulty registry cleaner then the
lack of evidence suggests that you, Allen, Ken Blake and anyone else that
makes claims without repeatable evidence are full of bullshit.

"Dave-UK" <> wrote in message
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>
> As you seem to have a wide experience of registry cleaners and their
> problems

Now, now, now you are assuming things here! Ken Blake hasn't got any
experience of formatting a hard disk never mind registry cleaners. He is on
record to say that he hasn't had the need to reformat a HDD since Windows
3.1. Now anyone asking for his advice on registry cleaners is taking a
terrible risk! Ken Blake is someone who could be described as a troll. He
has been made an MVP by Microsoft to indicate Microsoft Valuable Pig. He is
someone you take out your anger upon NOT Microsoft. He is the punch bag of
Microsoft newsgroups. Perhaps this the reason why he was given the MVP by
Microsoft - to divert attention from Microsoft's own failings.

hth

"Ken Blake, MVP" <> wrote in message
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> Most of them do create registry backups. However if the result of
> running the registry cleaner is an unbootable system (and that
> sometimes happens), the backup isn't of great use.
>

Unless you know a thing or two about computers!!!! That is what backups are
for.

"Gordon" <> wrote in message
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> But the point is, no-body NEEDS it. Waste of time and disk space.

Are you saying Ken Blake - Microsoft Valuable Pig is an idiot because he
uses CCleaner?

In article <Xns9D3B7FD60F202nospamspamzootalnosp@216.196.97.131>,
says...
> Allow me to contribute somewhat ... I've been working with PCs for over
> twenty years, since before there even was a registry, back when DOS 2.11
> was popular. I was on a help desk when Windows 3.x was popular, and have
> spent many hours working with, and (attempting to) reparing every version
> of windows that has come out since. I have never see a registry cleaning
> tool that actually did any good, and I have seen many that did harm.
> "Harm" ranges from programs that won't work anymore, to a Windows
> installation that won't boot. Most of them are snake oil that do nothing
> noticeble, but some will damage your Windows installation. Avoid them
> like the plague. 99.9% of the things that these "tools" fix are things
> that aren't doing any harm to start with, and "fixing" them accomplishes
> nothing.
>

I've been working with computers since the 70's and ever Microsoft
Platform on the market, server farms, etc...

As for Registry Cleaners, the only Registry "Cleaner" tool that I've
ever used is the one included in Spy Bot Search and Destroy, and it has
made a difference in several ways:

1) Removal of dead/forgotten keys
2) Removal of keys that no longer point to a proper location
3) Removal of keys that no long have valid parents

I've done this hundreds of times on clean machines as well as infected
machines and haver had a bad result, but, I don't believe ANYONE should
be doing this without first understanding what is being "Cleaned".

As for "Cleaners" from other vendors, I would never run one on any
computer that I use or support - I've seen too many bad things happen
from those as well as the thousands of posts I've read in Usenet from
people that corrupted their machines running cleaner.

--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
(remove 999 for proper email address)

"Ken Blake, MVP" <> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:01:31 -0500, "Dave" <>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "milt" <> wrote in message
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>> > On 3/13/2010 11:39 AM, LD55ZRA wrote:
>> >> "Slap"<> wrote in message
>> >> news:AyNmn.103535$...
>> >>>
>> >>> "Quilljar"<not@home .today> wrote in message
>> >>> news:...
>> >>>> Is there a reliable free Windows 7 Registry cleaner?
>> >>>
>> >>> I use CCleaner...
>> >>> http://www.ccleaner.com/
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> So do I.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > I wish you both lucky when one day it hoses your registry and you can't
>> > boot up and you can't figure out why. Don't blame Windows when it does!
>> >
>> Been a while since I used CC, but IIRC it creates a backup of the
>> registry
>> before hosing it, that way you can go back after getting hosed. :-D
>
>
> You can get back *if* "getting hosed" does not include destroying your
> ability to boot.
>
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

I have to agree with you on this, especially since it's so hard to create a
boot disk for Windows now. May not be possible at all for Windows 7, I
haven't looked into this yet.
Dave

"LD55ZRA" <> wrote in message
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> "Dave-UK" <> wrote in message
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>>
>
>>
>> As you seem to have a wide experience of registry cleaners and their
>> problems
>
> Now, now, now you are assuming things here! Ken Blake hasn't got any
> experience of formatting a hard disk never mind registry cleaners. He is
> on record to say that he hasn't had the need to reformat a HDD since
> Windows 3.1. Now anyone asking for his advice on registry cleaners is
> taking a terrible risk! Ken Blake is someone who could be described as a
> troll. He has been made an MVP by Microsoft to indicate Microsoft
> Valuable Pig. He is someone you take out your anger upon NOT Microsoft.
> He is the punch bag of Microsoft newsgroups. Perhaps this the reason why
> he was given the MVP by Microsoft - to divert attention from Microsoft's
> own failings.
>
> hth
>
>
Don't actually know Ken Blake, but one thing has seemed to become apparent,
he is trying to help others whereas you seem to be trying to make yourself
look better by making others look smaller.
You're not a alias for Alias are you?
Dave

"LD55ZRA" <> wrote in message
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> "Dave-UK" <> wrote in message
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>>
>
>>
>> As you seem to have a wide experience of registry cleaners and their
>> problems
>
> Now, now, now you are assuming things here! Ken Blake hasn't got any
> experience of formatting a hard disk never mind registry cleaners. He is
> on record to say that he hasn't had the need to reformat a HDD since
> Windows 3.1. Now anyone asking for his advice on registry cleaners is
> taking a terrible risk! Ken Blake is someone who could be described as a
> troll. He has been made an MVP by Microsoft to indicate Microsoft
> Valuable Pig.

C'mon, now. Let's keep to the discussion and not let this thread degenerate
into a name-calling fest. Ken has valid reasons to not recommend registry
cleaners. For most folks they're very dangerous. I do believe he goes
overboard,
however, in saying no one should *ever* use them. The combination of
CCleaner
and CleanMyPC (one catches problems the other misses) has saved me from
having to reformat and reinstall Windows many times, on many PCs and has
never caused me to lose a machine. I'd like to hear from Ken about any bad
experiences he's actually had with cleaners that causes him to hate them so.
I will certainly give Ken the benefit of the doubt and not assume that he's
never
actually used one. Of course if he is only speaking from anecdotal evidence
rather than experience then there's a problem but let's see what he has to
say.

Tom Lake

"Tom Lake" <> wrote in message
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> Ken has valid reasons to not recommend registry
> cleaners.

But he is recommending CCLEANER. Have you followed his post through?