REEEAAAALLLLLY tired of "Access is denied"!!!!

Jumping in here on the same topic.
I've been unexpectedly & unceremoniously dumped into using W7 before I was
really ready (no overlap/get-acquainted time while I could still use XP on
my old machine for anything I really needed Right Now) and the
access/controls/etc problem is driving me nutz (and it's *WAY* too
reminiscent of Vista & why I dumped *that* ASAP.)

I want to find where a program is storing its data files so I can back them
up separately. Or, as it happens, import directly so they have all the data
history from before, instead of "starting over". I've done this before in XP
so I don't see why I can't do it now.

In XP it was in a ....users\application data\[program name] folder.
Are all such files now forbidden territory?

Search isn't helping & when I find a likely looking folder I get the "access
denied" & can't seem to change it. I'm getting denied access to changing
access permissions no matter what I do!

Is there some way to get rid of all this nannying?

From the sound of other messages, I guess putting anything in the
C:\ root directory is also now off-limits.
Thanks for any help.
bj
<gnashing teeth>

Hi bj

On the: 17. of april-2011 At: 19:09 bj wrote:

> In XP it was in a ....users\application data\[program name] folder.
> Are all such files now forbidden territory?

No it isnt, You just don have right to browse the
Document and settings directory, but You do have acces
to c:\Document and settings\username
Put that in Your addres line, hit enter and You have acces
I just tried and I also created a folder in that dir so I do
have rights.

AFAIK This way of doing things have been commonly used in schools
as far back as Win NT sometimes with more then one layer of
no access.


Best regards
Asger-P

On 17 Apr 2011, "bj" <> wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

> In XP it was in a ....users\application data\[program name]
> folder. Are all such files now forbidden territory?

Several important data folders have changed names in Vista and later
compared to XP, and the storage location of certain files has changed.
What used to be "\Documents and Settings" is now called "\Users." What
appears in Win7's Windows Explorer as "\Documents and Settings" is
really just a pointer to "\Users". If you try to open that folder,
you'll get the rather misleading "Access Denied" error message. It's
there for backwards compatibility reasons, for the benefit of old
programs who are hard-coded to look for that directory name. It's not a
real directory, and it's not there for you. Yes, it is confusing and
unfortunate that we can see it, but it's better than breaking an old
program, I guess.

Likewise, "\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data" no longer
exists, and the folder by that name that appears in Win7 is another
"fake" folder/pointer. Most of the stuff that used to be stored in XP's
Application Date" folder now lives in Vista/Win7's
"\Users\username\AppData\Roaming" and sometimes in
"\Users\username\AppData\Local." I'm not sure what determines which
directory is used.

> Is there some way to get rid of all this nannying?

It's not "nannying" - you're trying to get into folders that don't
really exist.

> From the sound of other messages, I guess putting anything in the
> C:\ root directory is also now off-limits.

That's always been a bad practice, and Win7 discourages it, but there
are ways around it. You can create folders there using the command
line, for example.

-----Original Message-----
From: XS11E
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:07 PM
To: bj
Subject: Re: REEEAAAALLLLLY tired of "Access is denied"!!!!

On 17 Apr 2011, you wrote:

> Jumping in here on the same topic.
> I've been unexpectedly & unceremoniously dumped into using W7
> before I was really ready (no overlap/get-acquainted time while I
> could still use XP on my old machine for anything I really needed
> Right Now) and the access/controls/etc problem is driving me nutz
> (and it's *WAY* too reminiscent of Vista & why I dumped *that*
> ASAP.)

Well, certainly nobody could blame you for dumping Vista rather than
taking the 14.2 seconds it would have taken you to learn what you were
doing wrong.

Please don't RTFM, just come here and post your question(s) that could
have been answered with a simple Google search...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I'm astonished that you chose to excoriate me by email rather than public
posting! Most unusual behavior. I'm copying it here to reply out in the
open.

I was far from the only person to abandon Vista, it was notoriously annoying
with constant pop-up-permission boxes. And I wasn't the only one who
"retreated" to XP in short order -- we were even able to buy *new* systems
with an XP "downgrade". (sanity is worth a few bucks) We weren't doing
anything "wrong" with Vista, Vista was throwing up roadblocks every time we
tried to do anything at all!

Where is this FM that you refer to? If there's one for W7 &/or WLM2011, I'd
be interested in seeing it. I mean a decently written organized one, not a
process of link-hopping through pages that don't answer your questions, only
further confuse you. (I sincerely hope that the technical manuals & program
documentation I wrote way-back-when were clearer than the mud of so much
online "help".) Fat 3rd-party tomes (at $30-50 a pop) aren't much better
when it comes to finding something specific -- and by the time one reads the
whole thing it's time to move on to some *new* better-than-ever system.
bj

Thanks to Nil, Alias & Asger -- I tried looking in the "Roaming" folder.
Apparently the files I'm looking for are somewhere else now.
More searching, I suppose. <sigh>
But at least I begin to get a few clues. And I'm busy giving myself
permission to look at things in all sorts of places, even if it is a
nuisance. (maybe I'll look up how to turn off all that stuff...)
bj

"Nil" wrote in message news:Xns9ECAC21AE8356nilch1@130.133.4.11...
.... Most of the stuff that used to be stored in XP's
Application Date" folder now lives in Vista/Win7's
"\Users\username\AppData\Roaming" and sometimes in
"\Users\username\AppData\Local." I'm not sure what determines which
directory is used.

"bj" <> wrote:

> From: XS11E
> Well, certainly nobody could blame you for dumping Vista rather
> than taking the 14.2 seconds it would have taken you to learn what
> you were doing wrong.
>
> Please don't RTFM, just come here and post your question(s) that
> could have been answered with a simple Google search...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> I'm astonished that you chose to excoriate me by email rather than
> public posting! Most unusual behavior. I'm copying it here to
> reply out in the open.

Sorry, meant it for the froup, must have hit the wrong button...

> I was far from the only person to abandon Vista, it was
> notoriously annoying with constant pop-up-permission boxes.

Yes, for those who couldn't take the 14.2 seconds to learn how to stop
that behavior...

> Where is this FM that you refer to?

Here you are.


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Did you forget to include a link or was the empty space the whole point of
the reply?

Is this ng the FM you mean & if it is why all the complaints about people
asking questions?

Just wonderinzall.
bj

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"bj" <> wrote:

> From: XS11E
> Well, certainly nobody could blame you for dumping Vista rather
> than taking the 14.2 seconds it would have taken you to learn what
> you were doing wrong.
>
> Please don't RTFM, just come here and post your question(s) that
> could have been answered with a simple Google search...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> I'm astonished that you chose to excoriate me by email rather than
> public posting! Most unusual behavior. I'm copying it here to
> reply out in the open.

Sorry, meant it for the froup, must have hit the wrong button...

> I was far from the only person to abandon Vista, it was
> notoriously annoying with constant pop-up-permission boxes.

Yes, for those who couldn't take the 14.2 seconds to learn how to stop
that behavior...

> Where is this FM that you refer to?

Here you are.


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"bj" <> wrote:

> Did you forget to include a link or was the empty space the whole
> point of the reply?

No, I answered your question, you may have missed it.


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All I saw in answer to my question "where is it", below the "here you are"
reply, was...blank space, then your sig.

Maybe you posted it in invisible bits.
bj

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"bj" <> wrote:

> Did you forget to include a link or was the empty space the whole
> point of the reply?

No, I answered your question, you may have missed it.


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