Reactivation issue

In article <iac43r$r6i$>,
ds says...
>
> On 10/28/2010 03:56 PM, Leythos wrote:
>
> > According to licensing:
>
> > If your computer has OEM Windows installed, changing the motherboard
> > without doing so because of a motherboard failure is not permitted while
> > retaining the same license key. If you have OEM and the motherboard
> > fails, the vendor can replace the board with the same type or, if the
> > same is not available, they can replace it with a newer board and
> > reactivate - you can not re-activate if this is just an "Upgrade"
> > without failure.
> >
>
> False, false, false. You don't even distinguish between a generic OEM
> and a branded OEM and, again, the EULA makes no mention of a motherboard
> and even less that a motherboard equals a computer. Not even the Windows
> 7 EULAs state what you state. Do you get a commission from MS for
> fooling people? I have upgraded motherboards, called MS and told them
> exactly what I did and they reactivated for me. I have also replaced the
> same motherboard on a machine with an identical one and XP didn't bitch,
> burp or fart.

As I said, this chart will prove the licensing claims by myself and
others, and disprove your claim:

http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/license-and-media-matrix.png?
tag=mantle_skin;content


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In article <XnF9E1F79BFBB85Adoumdomainnet@85.214.73.210>,
says...
> Not true, the licence is tied to the COMPUTER, not the motherboard, the
> motherboard is a part of the computer, not the computer.

You are wrong, technically - the defining component is the motherboard,
according to MS.

>
> What if the motherboard dies? You are allowed to replace it.

If the MB dies you have always been permitted to replace it, and if you
have an OEM version the vendor is the place to start, the vendor is,
according to licensing rules, give you an exact replacement motherboard
and help you activate if necessary - if the exact replacement is not
available, the vendor can provide you with ANY motherboard, even if it's
a upgrade to what you use to have, as long as the board replaces a
failed one - again, the vendor is responsible for helping you activate
windows if needed.

>
> The OP keeps his processor, it could be considered the computer.

The CPU has never been considered the "Computer".

>
> FWIW, the computer could be the case, after all the COA sticker is applied
> to the case not the MB. I believe I can replace everything inside my case
> and it's still the same computer.

The case has never been considered the "Computer".

> To the OP, you might have to reinstall since there are other differences
> than SATA and USB, usually a repair install is required.

While mostly true, if not being done because of a failed motherboard,
legally it's not permitted with OEM versions.

http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/license-and-media-matrix.png?
tag=mantle_skin;content



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In article <iacdl3$iki$>,
ds says...
>
> On 10/28/2010 07:47 PM, Leythos wrote:
> > In article<iac43r$r6i$>,
> > ds says...
> >>
> >> On 10/28/2010 03:56 PM, Leythos wrote:
> >>
> >> > According to licensing:
> >>
> >>> If your computer has OEM Windows installed, changing the motherboard
> >>> without doing so because of a motherboard failure is not permitted while
> >>> retaining the same license key. If you have OEM and the motherboard
> >>> fails, the vendor can replace the board with the same type or, if the
> >>> same is not available, they can replace it with a newer board and
> >>> reactivate - you can not re-activate if this is just an "Upgrade"
> >>> without failure.
> >>>
> >>
> >> False, false, false. You don't even distinguish between a generic OEM
> >> and a branded OEM and, again, the EULA makes no mention of a motherboard
> >> and even less that a motherboard equals a computer. Not even the Windows
> >> 7 EULAs state what you state. Do you get a commission from MS for
> >> fooling people? I have upgraded motherboards, called MS and told them
> >> exactly what I did and they reactivated for me. I have also replaced the
> >> same motherboard on a machine with an identical one and XP didn't bitch,
> >> burp or fart.
> >
> > As I said, this chart will prove the licensing claims by myself and
> > others, and disprove your claim:
> >
> > http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/license-and-media-matrix.png?
> > tag=mantle_skin;content
> >
> >
>
> Pretty amateurish chart but no mention of a motherboard there either.

And you show that you can't follow information to the source, you can
only continue to troll.

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Leythos <> écrivait news:MPG.2733820933cc820b9896b6
@us.news.astraweb.com:

> In article <XnF9E1F79BFBB85Adoumdomainnet@85.214.73.210>,
> says...
>> Not true, the licence is tied to the COMPUTER, not the motherboard,
the
>> motherboard is a part of the computer, not the computer.
>
> You are wrong, technically - the defining component is the motherboard,
> according to MS.
>
>>
>> What if the motherboard dies? You are allowed to replace it.
>
> If the MB dies you have always been permitted to replace it, and if you
> have an OEM version the vendor is the place to start, the vendor is,
> according to licensing rules, give you an exact replacement motherboard
> and help you activate if necessary - if the exact replacement is not
> available, the vendor can provide you with ANY motherboard, even if
it's
> a upgrade to what you use to have, as long as the board replaces a
> failed one - again, the vendor is responsible for helping you activate
> windows if needed.
>
>>
>> The OP keeps his processor, it could be considered the computer.
>
> The CPU has never been considered the "Computer".
>
>>
>> FWIW, the computer could be the case, after all the COA sticker is
applied
>> to the case not the MB. I believe I can replace everything inside my
case
>> and it's still the same computer.
>
> The case has never been considered the "Computer".
>
>> To the OP, you might have to reinstall since there are other
differences
>> than SATA and USB, usually a repair install is required.
>
> While mostly true, if not being done because of a failed motherboard,
> legally it's not permitted with OEM versions.
>
> http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/license-and-media-matrix.png?
> tag=mantle_skin;content
>
>
>

Here's an extract of the user terms from Microsoft:

"b. License Model. Subject to Section 2 (b) below, the software is
licensed on a per copy per computer basis. A computer is a physical
hardware system with an internal storage device capable of running the
software. A hardware partition or blade is considered to be a separate
computer."

I don't see the word "motherboard" in there. That paragraph comes from
there:

http://download.microsoft.com/Docume...dows%207_Home%
20Premium_English_a0cdb148-2381-47cd-bfc9-9b9102e0cb28.pdf

In article <iacdvj$j9t$>,
ds says...
>
> On 10/28/2010 08:01 PM, Leythos wrote:
> > In article<iacdl3$iki$>,
> > ds says...
> >>
> >> On 10/28/2010 07:47 PM, Leythos wrote:
> >>> In article<iac43r$r6i$>,
> >>> ds says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/28/2010 03:56 PM, Leythos wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > According to licensing:
> >>>>
> >>>>> If your computer has OEM Windows installed, changing the motherboard
> >>>>> without doing so because of a motherboard failure is not permitted while
> >>>>> retaining the same license key. If you have OEM and the motherboard
> >>>>> fails, the vendor can replace the board with the same type or, if the
> >>>>> same is not available, they can replace it with a newer board and
> >>>>> reactivate - you can not re-activate if this is just an "Upgrade"
> >>>>> without failure.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> False, false, false. You don't even distinguish between a generic OEM
> >>>> and a branded OEM and, again, the EULA makes no mention of a motherboard
> >>>> and even less that a motherboard equals a computer. Not even the Windows
> >>>> 7 EULAs state what you state. Do you get a commission from MS for
> >>>> fooling people? I have upgraded motherboards, called MS and told them
> >>>> exactly what I did and they reactivated for me. I have also replaced the
> >>>> same motherboard on a machine with an identical one and XP didn't bitch,
> >>>> burp or fart.
> >>>
> >>> As I said, this chart will prove the licensing claims by myself and
> >>> others, and disprove your claim:
> >>>
> >>> http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/license-and-media-matrix.png?
> >>> tag=mantle_skin;content
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Pretty amateurish chart but no mention of a motherboard there either.
> >
> > And you show that you can't follow information to the source, you can
> > only continue to troll.
> >
>
> Oh dear, Leythos is resorting to personal attacks again. Out of ammo so
> quickly? LOL! Still waiting for the EULA that states one may not upgrade
> to a new motherboard on the SAME machine. I'm not holding my breath
> though, because, sport, I've done my homework and I know such an EULA
> doesn't exist. The little chart you linked doesn't address this issue,
> the issue at hand that you are trying to wiggle out of with a
> condescending personal attack.

And you continue to deny the rules, but you can't prove your point, as
is always the case with you.

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In article <XnF9E1F9370BB2D1doumdomainnet@85.214.73.210>,
says...
> Here's an extract of the user terms from Microsoft:
>
> "b. License Model. Subject to Section 2 (b) below, the software is
> licensed on a per copy per computer basis. A computer is a physical
> hardware system with an internal storage device capable of running the
> software. A hardware partition or blade is considered to be a separate
> computer."
>
> I don't see the word "motherboard" in there. That paragraph comes from
> there:
>

What "Hardware System" do you think they mean?

It's not the power-supply, it's not the CD-Rom, it's not the cables, it
not the case - those things can NOT run the software.

Be honest this time.

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On 28/10/2010 7:04 PM, Alias wrote:>

....condescending personal attack.


Hypocrite

Leythos <> écrivait
news::

> In article <XnF9E1F9370BB2D1doumdomainnet@85.214.73.210>,
> says...
>> Here's an extract of the user terms from Microsoft:
>>
>> "b. License Model. Subject to Section 2 (b) below, the software is
>> licensed on a per copy per computer basis. A computer is a physical
>> hardware system with an internal storage device capable of running the
>> software. A hardware partition or blade is considered to be a separate
>> computer."
>>
>> I don't see the word "motherboard" in there. That paragraph comes from
>> there:
>>
>
> What "Hardware System" do you think they mean?

I don't know, they don't say!

>
> It's not the power-supply, it's not the CD-Rom, it's not the cables, it
> not the case - those things can NOT run the software.
>
The motherboard either cannot run the software without a CPU, memory and a
hard disk

> Be honest this time.
>
I AM HONEST

As a "know-nothing" end-user that never goes to forums and don't know that
usenet exists, I consider that I'm only tied by the contract on the DVD
which is the same text than the link in my other post.

Again :

http://download.microsoft.com/Docume...dows%207_Home%
20Premium_English_a0cdb148-2381-47cd-bfc9-9b9102e0cb28.pdf

Who am I (and who are you) to presume what they mean?

I have heard that the issue is with the BIOS. Widows 7 uses the bios "as
part of" its method of Registration. The bios is a chip on the Motherboard.
Therefore, if you change the motherboard without changing the chip back to
your old bios chip (which may or may not fit), you may have an issue.

This is my understanding... I can't prove it nor do I want to do the
research to figure it out....ha ha.

What's really silly is this.
Do the upgrade. if you have an issue, call ..and it will get fixed.
Microsoft has a number set up for this purpose.. to reactivate you system.
If your OS is a FAKE COPY from the Internet, then tough. Just buy a real
copy and it won't be an issue.

"Alias" wrote in message news:iacvkb$qvr$...

On 10/28/2010 09:47 PM, Leythos wrote:
> In article<iacdvj$j9t$>,
> ds says...
>>
>> On 10/28/2010 08:01 PM, Leythos wrote:
>>> In article<iacdl3$iki$>,
>>> ds says...
>>>>
>>>> On 10/28/2010 07:47 PM, Leythos wrote:
>>>>> In article<iac43r$r6i$>,
>>>>> ds says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/28/2010 03:56 PM, Leythos wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > According to licensing:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If your computer has OEM Windows installed, changing the motherboard
>>>>>>> without doing so because of a motherboard failure is not permitted
>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>> retaining the same license key. If you have OEM and the motherboard
>>>>>>> fails, the vendor can replace the board with the same type or, if
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> same is not available, they can replace it with a newer board and
>>>>>>> reactivate - you can not re-activate if this is just an "Upgrade"
>>>>>>> without failure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> False, false, false. You don't even distinguish between a generic OEM
>>>>>> and a branded OEM and, again, the EULA makes no mention of a
>>>>>> motherboard
>>>>>> and even less that a motherboard equals a computer. Not even the
>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>> 7 EULAs state what you state. Do you get a commission from MS for
>>>>>> fooling people? I have upgraded motherboards, called MS and told them
>>>>>> exactly what I did and they reactivated for me. I have also replaced
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> same motherboard on a machine with an identical one and XP didn't
>>>>>> bitch,
>>>>>> burp or fart.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said, this chart will prove the licensing claims by myself and
>>>>> others, and disprove your claim:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://i.zdnet.com/blogs/license-and-media-matrix.png?
>>>>> tag=mantle_skin;content
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pretty amateurish chart but no mention of a motherboard there either.
>>>
>>> And you show that you can't follow information to the source, you can
>>> only continue to troll.
>>>
>>
>> Oh dear, Leythos is resorting to personal attacks again. Out of ammo so
>> quickly? LOL! Still waiting for the EULA that states one may not upgrade
>> to a new motherboard on the SAME machine. I'm not holding my breath
>> though, because, sport, I've done my homework and I know such an EULA
>> doesn't exist. The little chart you linked doesn't address this issue,
>> the issue at hand that you are trying to wiggle out of with a
>> condescending personal attack.
>
> And you continue to deny the rules, but you can't prove your point, as
> is always the case with you.
>

Show me an EULA that says the motherboard is the computer and cannot be
upgraded. You can't because it doesn't exist. Game, set, match. You're a
liar, plain and simple and when caught, you always resort to
condescending personal attacks.

--
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"SomeOne" <> wrote in message
news:iad0hc$td1$...
> I have heard that the issue is with the BIOS. Widows 7 uses the bios "as
> part of" its method of Registration. The bios is a chip on the
> Motherboard. Therefore, if you change the motherboard without changing the
> chip back to your old bios chip (which may or may not fit), you may have
> an issue.

Actually the portion of the activation code (being discussed) is tied to the
make/model hash of the motherboard combined with the serial number as
obtained via WMI calls. The makes up a portion of the 36 digit unique
identifier. All of the (major) components of the "system" make up this 36
digit identifier. Some larger portions than others. If too many change at
once, that sets off the reactivation scenario.

The part of the unique identifier specific to the motherboard is flagged in
the CRM system used by the CSRs who answer these calls at MS support
(usually in the India call center). The CSRs have the ability to make an
on-the-fly decision to over-ride this flag or not.

> This is my understanding... I can't prove it nor do I want to do the
> research to figure it out....ha ha.
>
> What's really silly is this.
> Do the upgrade. if you have an issue, call ..and it will get fixed.

And many CSRs, if you tell your tale "correctly" (say replaced motherboard
without using the "upgrade" word) will use the over-ride and everyone is
happy.

> Microsoft has a number set up for this purpose.. to reactivate you system.
> If your OS is a FAKE COPY from the Internet, then tough. Just buy a real
> copy and it won't be an issue.

Nah, these guys just want to argue back and forth which is why despite being
one of the people to answer the original poster and thus set of a part of
this tirade have stayed out of it.

Regardless of how they think it should be or how they interpret the EULA
doesn't make a difference to what actually happens and how it gets resolved.