Password avoidance

On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:46:16 -0500, "Peter Foldes" <>
wrote:

> Ken
>
> 35 yrs being an Electrician. The draw when you open a light switch with a single 100
> w bulb will be approximately +- 0.03 kvh at start up where as the light staying open
> will draw 0.01 per kvh per every 10 hrs, Now open and close the switch 10 times per
> day which will cause 0.30kvh registration on the meter as compared to a bulb
> continuously burning for a 24hr period as approximately .025. Same applies to any
> electrical apparatus be it a light bulb or the computer plus adding the opening
> surge and then the burning ( running) time
> But I will try and find the documentation on this Ken and will get over to you
> (right now the documentation is in my head and I do not have my CA book at hand here
> so as to show a hard copy


Thanks very much, Peter. Not to disagree with you, but if you can find
documentation on it, I'd like to show it to my wife.




> "Ken Blake, MVP" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:00:31 -0500, "Peter Foldes" <>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Gene
> >>
> >> >> Once a day. Jeeeze.....
> >> >> If you start up your computer LOTS of times a day a) it uses lots more
> >> >> electricity than if you just keep it running and b) places excessive wear on
> >> >> parts like the disk heads...
> >>
> >> Actually Gordon is 100% correct with that statement. I agree . Same scenario if
> >> you
> >> open and close a 100w light in the room on a 110v 60hz circuit it will take up
> >> twice
> >> that amount of power than if you would leave the light on for a 24hr period
> >> without
> >> shutting it off. Same exact principle for the computer
> >
> >
> > Off topic, I know, but I'd appreciate it if you could point me to a
> > web site that documents what you say about that 100w light.
> >
> > --
> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

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On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:46:16 -0500, "Peter Foldes" <>
wrote:

>Ken
>
>35 yrs being an Electrician. The draw when you open a light switch with a single 100
>w bulb will be approximately +- 0.03 kvh at start up where as the light staying open
>will draw 0.01 per kvh per every 10 hrs, Now open and close the switch 10 times per
>day which will cause 0.30kvh registration on the meter as compared to a bulb
>continuously burning for a 24hr period as approximately .025. Same applies to any
>electrical apparatus be it a light bulb or the computer plus adding the opening
>surge and then the burning ( running) time
>But I will try and find the documentation on this Ken and will get over to you
>(right now the documentation is in my head and I do not have my CA book at hand here
>so as to show a hard copy

What unit of measure is kvh?

"Char Jackson" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:46:16 -0500, "Peter Foldes" <>
> wrote:
>
>>Ken
>>
>>35 yrs being an Electrician. The draw when you open a light switch with a
>>single 100
>>w bulb will be approximately +- 0.03 kvh at start up where as the light
>>staying open
>>will draw 0.01 per kvh per every 10 hrs, Now open and close the switch 10
>>times per
>>day which will cause 0.30kvh registration on the meter as compared to a
>>bulb
>>continuously burning for a 24hr period as approximately .025. Same applies
>>to any
>>electrical apparatus be it a light bulb or the computer plus adding the
>>opening
>>surge and then the burning ( running) time
>>But I will try and find the documentation on this Ken and will get over to
>>you
>>(right now the documentation is in my head and I do not have my CA book at
>>hand here
>>so as to show a hard copy
>
> What unit of measure is kvh?
>


kilo volt hour. The way electricity is metered when determining how much
you used and how much you need to pay for.

Seth wrote:

> "Char Jackson" <> wrote:
>
>> What unit of measure is kvh?
>
> kilo volt hour. The way electricity is metered when determining how much
> you used and how much you need to pay for.

So your electricity supplier doesn't care how many amps you draw? Tell
me where you live, I'm going to build a new datacentre ;-)

Peter Foldes wrote:
> Ken
>
> 35 yrs being an Electrician. The draw when you open a light switch with
> a single 100 w bulb will be approximately +- 0.03 kvh at start up where
> as the light staying open will draw 0.01 per kvh per every 10 hrs, Now
> open and close the switch 10 times per day which will cause 0.30kvh
> registration on the meter as compared to a bulb continuously burning for
> a 24hr period as approximately .025. Same applies to any electrical
> apparatus be it a light bulb or the computer plus adding the opening
> surge and then the burning ( running) time
> But I will try and find the documentation on this Ken and will get over
> to you (right now the documentation is in my head and I do not have my
> CA book at hand here so as to show a hard copy


I was told, by the journeyman electrician I worked for, that the terms
"open" and "close" originated "way back when." He assumed that when
candles were used to provide light, they had shutters; you open the
shutters to light the room and close the shutters to darken the room.

Another idea was the "barn door" shutters on Klieg lights:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klieg_light

Barn doors:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barn_doors

Closer to the original off topic:
http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/myths.html
--
TOM - Vista, CA - USA

Sam E wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 21:34:39 -0700, GreyCloud <>
> wrote:
>
>
> [snip]
>
>>> You may be using a computer for 60 years or more. 60 years, and ONE
>>> logon per day. Now you've got over 21,914 logons. At 5 seconds each,
>>> that's more than 24 hours wasted on repeatedly entering your password.
>> That is fine
>
> What's "this"? Are you continuing to imagine that I was LIMITING
> myself to ONE DAY? How many times do you log on during your LIFE? You
> spend a lot more than 5 seconds logging on.
>
>> if it is your own computer.
>> Do it at work that demands security, and you'll find yourself out of a job.

That is totally ridiculous. All it takes is an outsider to get by
password security and it is all over with. What the OP wants is not
worth it.

I remember a DOD gal that managed a VMS cluster and she got pretty lazy
and wrote down her password, only because VMS does not allow
passwordless systems, and the system got compromised. She spent the
next year going from government facitly to facility teaching security
after that snafu.

"Sunny Bard" <> wrote in message
news:hnh4pd$q27$...
> Seth wrote:
>
>> "Char Jackson" <> wrote:
>>
>>> What unit of measure is kvh?
>>
>> kilo volt hour. The way electricity is metered when determining how much
>> you used and how much you need to pay for.
>
> So your electricity supplier doesn't care how many amps you draw? Tell me
> where you live, I'm going to build a new datacentre ;-)

They're all related. The amps you draw affect the rate at which you consume
KVH.

Bottom line, you pay for all the juice you use, no matter how you measure
it. I've lived in many states along the east coast of the USA and all my
power bills have been measured in KVH.

Maybe it's measured with a different unit on your side of the pond, but I
bet you still pay per unit of consumption regardless of what that unit of
measurement is. I pay for petrol in gallons. You pay in liters (or litres).
Doesn't really make a difference.

On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:42:11 -0500, "Seth"
<> wrote:

>"Char Jackson" <> wrote in message
>news:...
>> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:46:16 -0500, "Peter Foldes" <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Ken
>>>
>>>35 yrs being an Electrician. The draw when you open a light switch with a
>>>single 100
>>>w bulb will be approximately +- 0.03 kvh at start up where as the light
>>>staying open
>>>will draw 0.01 per kvh per every 10 hrs, Now open and close the switch 10
>>>times per
>>>day which will cause 0.30kvh registration on the meter as compared to a
>>>bulb
>>>continuously burning for a 24hr period as approximately .025. Same applies
>>>to any
>>>electrical apparatus be it a light bulb or the computer plus adding the
>>>opening
>>>surge and then the burning ( running) time
>>>But I will try and find the documentation on this Ken and will get over to
>>>you
>>>(right now the documentation is in my head and I do not have my CA book at
>>>hand here
>>>so as to show a hard copy
>>
>> What unit of measure is kvh?
>>
>
>
>kilo volt hour. The way electricity is metered when determining how much
>you used and how much you need to pay for.

Thanks, so that would be the semi-equivalent of kilo watt hour, our
unit of measure in the US. I'm really curious how voltage can be used
to measure power consumption.

"Char Jackson" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:42:11 -0500, "Seth"
> <> wrote:
>
>>"Char Jackson" <> wrote in message
>>news:...
>>> On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:46:16 -0500, "Peter Foldes" <>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ken
>>>>
>>>>35 yrs being an Electrician. The draw when you open a light switch with
>>>>a
>>>>single 100
>>>>w bulb will be approximately +- 0.03 kvh at start up where as the light
>>>>staying open
>>>>will draw 0.01 per kvh per every 10 hrs, Now open and close the switch
>>>>10
>>>>times per
>>>>day which will cause 0.30kvh registration on the meter as compared to a
>>>>bulb
>>>>continuously burning for a 24hr period as approximately .025. Same
>>>>applies
>>>>to any
>>>>electrical apparatus be it a light bulb or the computer plus adding the
>>>>opening
>>>>surge and then the burning ( running) time
>>>>But I will try and find the documentation on this Ken and will get over
>>>>to
>>>>you
>>>>(right now the documentation is in my head and I do not have my CA book
>>>>at
>>>>hand here
>>>>so as to show a hard copy
>>>
>>> What unit of measure is kvh?
>>>
>>
>>
>>kilo volt hour. The way electricity is metered when determining how much
>>you used and how much you need to pay for.
>
> Thanks, so that would be the semi-equivalent of kilo watt hour, our
> unit of measure in the US. I'm really curious how voltage can be used
> to measure power consumption.

Actually now that you mention it, KWH was what I was thinking of. Hands
faster than the mid sometimes.

I saw KWH instead of KVH and automatically changed the "watt" to "volt" to
match the acronym. Oops.

But in looking up to see if there is an actual official listing for KVH, I'm
not seeing one (at least not one that has anything to do with electricity).
Did Peter mean to say KWH instead of KVH?

Seth wrote:

> "Sunny Bard" <> wrote:
>
>> So your electricity supplier doesn't care how many amps you draw?
>
> I've lived in many states along the east coast of the USA
> and all my power bills have been measured in KVH.

kWh surely?

> Maybe it's measured with a different unit on your side of the pond

Paying for electricity based on voltage * time would be like paying for
water based on pressure * time, disregarding how wide you open your tap
(or faucet!).