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jkneese
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      12-03-2011
Need some help from a kind-hearted soul. I am about to enter an
assisted-living facility and was told they have Wi-Fi internet service. I
know absolutely nothing about Wi-Fi so have a few specific questions.

1. Can I assume a USB Wi-Fi adaptor is what I need to use my existing PC
(Win 7 Home Prem. 64-bit)?

2. How does one log on or otherwise connect to a Wi-Fi system?

3. Am I assigned a username/password and do I log on each session?

4. What about e-mail? Is that the same as (3. above) or a different
username/password?

Anything you can pass along will be greatly appreciated.

Jay Kneese


 
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Andy Burns
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      12-03-2011
jkneese wrote:

> Need some help from a kind-hearted soul. I am about to enter an
> assisted-living facility and was told they have Wi-Fi internet service.
> I know absolutely nothing about Wi-Fi so have a few specific questions.
>
> 1. Can I assume a USB Wi-Fi adaptor is what I need to use my existing PC
> (Win 7 Home Prem. 64-bit)?


Assuming this is a desktop, rather than a laptop yes, if it's a laptop I
assume you'd realise it's practically certain to have WiFi built in, if
it's new enough to run Win7.

> 2. How does one log on or otherwise connect to a Wi-Fi system?


Windows should "see" all available wiFi networks, and you click on the
relevant one to connect to it, the network ought to be secured and will
prompt for a security "key"

> 3. Am I assigned a username/password and do I log on each session?


There's just the key, it's not personal to you, but shared by all people
accessing the WiFi, Windows will store it for you, you won't be prompted
again.

> 4. What about e-mail? Is that the same as (3. above) or a different
> username/password?


Once you're connected you can access web, email, skype or whatever just
like you do now, if your email is tied to your current provider and
you're closing that home ISP account to move into the sheltered
accomodation, you might need to set up a new email provider.

> Anything you can pass along will be greatly appreciated.


If your machine is a desktop PC, you might want to fit the USB WiFi
dongle onto a USB extension lead, so it can be positioned to pick up a
better signal, rather than the dongle being down at low level hidden
behind the PC, also less likely to being snapped off!
 
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
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      12-03-2011
In message <>, Andy
Burns <> writes:
>jkneese wrote:
>
>> Need some help from a kind-hearted soul. I am about to enter an
>> assisted-living facility and was told they have Wi-Fi internet service.
>> I know absolutely nothing about Wi-Fi so have a few specific questions.
>>
>> 1. Can I assume a USB Wi-Fi adaptor is what I need to use my existing PC
>> (Win 7 Home Prem. 64-bit)?

>
>Assuming this is a desktop, rather than a laptop yes, if it's a laptop
>I assume you'd realise it's practically certain to have WiFi built in,
>if it's new enough to run Win7.
>
>> 2. How does one log on or otherwise connect to a Wi-Fi system?

>
>Windows should "see" all available wiFi networks, and you click on the
>relevant one to connect to it, the network ought to be secured and will
>prompt for a security "key"


Indeed: as "Alias" says, if it isn't secured (doesn't ask), it's a dodgy
network, or at least open to any dodgy character. If it does prompt for
a key (which you will have to be told by the facility's staff), you only
have to enter it once: your PC will remember each network's password.
This also applies if you take your PC to visit anyone else (your
children perhaps) who have wifi and are willing to give you the key -
your PC will remember the password for each network you connect to.
>
>> 3. Am I assigned a username/password and do I log on each session?

>
>There's just the key, it's not personal to you, but shared by all
>people accessing the WiFi, Windows will store it for you, you won't be
>prompted again.


That's the usual situation, though I think usernames are not unheard of.
It's also possible to set up a wifi router so that it will only allow
devices on a list inside it to connect: if they do this, either you'll
need to give them the ID of your device (USB dongle or laptop itself),
or they'll need to do something (I've seen routers where you press a
button on the router and anything that tries to connect in the following
few minutes gets added to the list, which seemed a good compromise
between security and usability). However, most places that "provide
wifi" don't restrict in this way, it being too much bother - they just
use a "key" (something you have to type in, once) which they give you.
(In theory they should change it from time to time, though they
obviously have to tell all the users whenever they do.)
>
>> 4. What about e-mail? Is that the same as (3. above) or a different
>> username/password?

>
>Once you're connected you can access web, email, skype or whatever just
>like you do now, if your email is tied to your current provider and
>you're closing that home ISP account to move into the sheltered
>accomodation, you might need to set up a new email provider.


As Andy says, if your email is web-based, it'll work fine. If not, and
you want to keep your existing email account (and, probably, pay your
existing provider for it), which you might I suppose if you don't want
to change the email address you've been using for years (and tell all
your contacts), then:
Sending: either you'll need to configure your mail software to use the
SMTP server provided by the company providing the wifi service to the
facility, or you'll have to set up authenticated use of your original
provider's SMTP server. You may already have this set up; however, a lot
of providers allow unauthenticated use of their server provided users
are physically connected via a known account. If you're very unlucky,
your existing provider won't allow email sending _except_ via such a
connection; in that case you'd need to find another one (hopefully the
one provided by the facility's provider) that will, and will also allow
your emails to have a different "From" or "Reply-to" address.
Receiving: again, it depends whether your existing provider allows
collection of mail from their server (POP3 rather than SMTP this time)
with authentication.
If you _do_ want to keep your existing email as privided by your
existing supplier (again, this is irrelevant for a web-based system),
it'd be worth asking them if they do a simpler (and thus cheaper)
provision that does email only, since you won't be wanting broadband
from them.

Looking back at the original post, I see you're at an @yahoo.com
address: I think that's one of those that will work regardless anyway,
certainly if you do all your email via a web browser. (If you don't -
and I see you are using Windows Live Mail, though obviously I don't know
if you use that for email as well as for posting - then it might be
worth asking anyone you know inside the facility who uses yahoo, what if
anything _they_ had to do.)
>
>> Anything you can pass along will be greatly appreciated.

>
>If your machine is a desktop PC, you might want to fit the USB WiFi
>dongle onto a USB extension lead, so it can be positioned to pick up a
>better signal, rather than the dongle being down at low level hidden
>behind the PC, also less likely to being snapped off!


Good advice! In the UK, poundshops (shops where everything is a pound,
or 99p) often sell USB hubs (and sometimes other USB toys) with a short
(say 6") USB extension lead: it's probably cheaper to buy that (whether
you use the hub or not) than to buy the lead alone anywhere else. (I
don't know where you are, but I imagine the equivalent of poundshops are
everywhere.)

As Andy said, if it's a laptop, certainly one that came with 7 (or
Vista, or even many from the XP era), it'll probably have wifi built in.
Usually turned on by default anyway, but just in case it's turned off,
you'll obviously need to turn it on: sometimes a physical switch (often
at the front, sometimes a little underneath so you don't catch it by
mistake), sometimes just the function key plus one of the F keys (F9 on
this netbook). Look at the function keys for a suitable symbol -
sometimes waves radiating out from a point, sometimes a drawing of an
old-fashioned aerial. There's probably a light, as well, that comes on
when it's active - maybe next to the caps/shift/scroll lock lights,
maybe not, depending on the designer of the case.

If it is a laptop/netbook and you have a suitable friendly
neighbour/son/daughter/whatever who has wifi, take it round to their
place, and you can try all this out. You'll need them to tell you their
key of course. If no-one suitable is available, and assuming you live in
an ordinary street rather than an isolated home, you should still at
least be able to "see" several wifi networks, though you won't get any
further than attempting to connect and being asked for the key. (Unless
you have a neighbour who has set his/her network up as unsecured - it
isn't unknown! There may also be some which are part of wider "networks"
of a different kind - in the UK, BTOpenZone is one - where the
individual nodes _are_ unsecured, but if you try to connect to any
website through them, you see instead their payment page. They usually
block - by port number I think, we don't need to go into that here -
mail transfer, too, i. e. _only_ provide web access to everything. The
nodes in this case can be either things like petrol station signs, or
private individuals who allow their own system to be used by anyone who
has joined the system, in return for themselves being able to do so when
away from home.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

.... his charming, bumbling best, a serial monogamist terrified of commitment,
who comes across as a sort of Bertie Wooster but with a measurable IQ. - Barry
Norman on Hugh Grant's persona in certain films, Radio Times 3-9 July 2010
 
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      12-03-2011
jkneese wrote:
> Need some help from a kind-hearted soul. I am about to enter an
> assisted-living facility and was told they have Wi-Fi internet service.
> I know absolutely nothing about Wi-Fi so have a few specific questions.
>
> 1. Can I assume a USB Wi-Fi adaptor is what I need to use my existing PC
> (Win 7 Home Prem. 64-bit)?
>
> 2. How does one log on or otherwise connect to a Wi-Fi system?
>
> 3. Am I assigned a username/password and do I log on each session?
>
> 4. What about e-mail? Is that the same as (3. above) or a different
> username/password?
>
> Anything you can pass along will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Jay Kneese
>
>

With a little (maybe a lot) of luck there should be someone there that
knows the system so I would ask.

Lou
 
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      12-03-2011
"jkneese" <> wrote in
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> Need some help from a kind-hearted soul. I am about to
> enter an assisted-living facility and was told they have
> Wi-Fi internet service. I know absolutely nothing about
> Wi-Fi so have a few specific questions.
>
> 1. Can I assume a USB Wi-Fi adaptor is what I need to use
> my existing PC (Win 7 Home Prem. 64-bit)?
>
> 2. How does one log on or otherwise connect to a Wi-Fi
> system?
>
> 3. Am I assigned a username/password and do I log on each
> session?
>
> 4. What about e-mail? Is that the same as (3. above) or a
> different username/password?


That all depends on your e-mail. If you currently use an e-
mail client, like your headers indicate you use MS Live Mail,
to connect to your current ISP's e-mail server, you may need
to change that...like if it's @verizon.net because you
currently have DSL.

I see your e-mail listed however is yahoo.com, so *that* will
not change. You can access that mail from any internet
connected PC in the world that has a browser.


 
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      12-03-2011
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <> wrote in
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> In message
> <>, Andy
> Burns <> writes:
>>jkneese wrote:
>>
>>> Need some help from a kind-hearted soul. I am about to
>>> enter an assisted-living facility and was told they have
>>> Wi-Fi internet service. I know absolutely nothing about
>>> Wi-Fi so have a few specific questions.
>>>
>>> 1. Can I assume a USB Wi-Fi adaptor is what I need to use
>>> my existing PC (Win 7 Home Prem. 64-bit)?

>>
>>Assuming this is a desktop, rather than a laptop yes, if
>>it's a laptop I assume you'd realise it's practically
>>certain to have WiFi built in, if it's new enough to run
>>Win7.
>>
>>> 2. How does one log on or otherwise connect to a Wi-Fi
>>> system?

>>
>>Windows should "see" all available wiFi networks, and you
>>click on the relevant one to connect to it, the network
>>ought to be secured and will prompt for a security "key"

>
> Indeed: as "Alias" says, if it isn't secured (doesn't ask),
> it's a dodgy network, or at least open to any dodgy
> character. If it does prompt for a key (which you will have
> to be told by the facility's staff), you only have to enter
> it once: your PC will remember each network's password.
> This also applies if you take your PC to visit anyone else
> (your children perhaps) who have wifi and are willing to
> give you the key - your PC will remember the password for
> each network you connect to.


I'd also suggest to *typically* turn of file and printer
sharing, if those aren't required.
 
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      12-03-2011
On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 14:33:16 +0000, Andy Burns
<> wrote:

> jkneese wrote:
>
> > Need some help from a kind-hearted soul. I am about to enter an
> > assisted-living facility and was told they have Wi-Fi internet service.
> > I know absolutely nothing about Wi-Fi so have a few specific questions.
> >
> > 1. Can I assume a USB Wi-Fi adaptor is what I need to use my existing PC
> > (Win 7 Home Prem. 64-bit)?

>
> Assuming this is a desktop, rather than a laptop yes,



No, not really. That's one choice, but it's not the only one--not what
he *needs*. He could also buy and install a wi-fi card in the
computer.
 
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"jkneese" <> wrote in message news:jbdaf0$24q$...
> Need some help from a kind-hearted soul. I am about to enter an assisted-living facility and was told they have Wi-Fi
> internet service. I know absolutely nothing about Wi-Fi so have a few specific questions.
>
> 1. Can I assume a USB Wi-Fi adaptor is what I need to use my existing PC (Win 7 Home Prem. 64-bit)?
>
> 2. How does one log on or otherwise connect to a Wi-Fi system?
>
> 3. Am I assigned a username/password and do I log on each session?
>
> 4. What about e-mail? Is that the same as (3. above) or a different username/password?
>
> Anything you can pass along will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Jay Kneese
>
>


Along with Andy's excellent answers, I would advise talking to the IT person or rep at the facility. They probably have
either someone on site, or they'll give you documentation on how to set it up and a number to call if you run into a
problem.

Enjoy your stay! My SO's aunt lives in one in Connecticut and wishes she had moved into it earlier. I have not heard one
single complaint from her, and she's still very sharp mentally, so it's not like she doesn't know what's going on around
her. She just loves the people and the "Chablis with Sunday dinner." :-)
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      12-03-2011
On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 15:47:41 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<> wrote:

>In message <>, Andy
>Burns <> writes:
>>jkneese wrote:
>>
>>> 3. Am I assigned a username/password and do I log on each session?

>>
>>There's just the key, it's not personal to you, but shared by all
>>people accessing the WiFi, Windows will store it for you, you won't be
>>prompted again.

>
>That's the usual situation, though I think usernames are not unheard of.
>It's also possible to set up a wifi router so that it will only allow
>devices on a list inside it to connect: if they do this, either you'll
>need to give them the ID of your device (USB dongle or laptop itself),
>or they'll need to do something (I've seen routers where you press a
>button on the router and anything that tries to connect in the following
>few minutes gets added to the list, which seemed a good compromise
>between security and usability). However, most places that "provide
>wifi" don't restrict in this way, it being too much bother - they just
>use a "key" (something you have to type in, once) which they give you.
>(In theory they should change it from time to time, though they
>obviously have to tell all the users whenever they do.)


I've done some contract work in these kinds of facilities and mostly
I've found things to be the way you described, but in a few cases they
had a RADIUS server running so that each resident had a unique key
rather than everyone using a shared key.

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In message <>, Ken Blake
<> writes:
>On Sat, 03 Dec 2011 14:33:16 +0000, Andy Burns
><> wrote:
>
>> jkneese wrote:
>>
>> > Need some help from a kind-hearted soul. I am about to enter an
>> > assisted-living facility and was told they have Wi-Fi internet service.
>> > I know absolutely nothing about Wi-Fi so have a few specific questions.
>> >
>> > 1. Can I assume a USB Wi-Fi adaptor is what I need to use my existing PC
>> > (Win 7 Home Prem. 64-bit)?

>>
>> Assuming this is a desktop, rather than a laptop yes,

>
>
>No, not really. That's one choice, but it's not the only one--not what
>he *needs*. He could also buy and install a wi-fi card in the
>computer.


A wifi card will take up a slot (probably not a problem), will probably
cost more (it shouldn't, as there's less on it! But supply and demand
....), and will have an aerial that's less optimisable (for the basic
aerial - though it's likely to be more sensitive, and also connected to
a socket you can in theory add other aerials to).

A USB dongle will use up a USB port (some machines are a bit short of
these, though not recent ones), will probably cost less, and will have a
deafer aerial (though if used with an extension lead can probably be
better positioned).

If it _is_ a laptop, you may also be able to find a card that goes into
whatever sort of expansion slot it has (PCMCIA on older ones, I forget
what it's called for newer), but again it's likely to cost more than a
USB one, so I wouldn't bother unless you're very short of USB slots.
(And of course if it's a laptop it's highly unlikely not to have wifi
built in anyway, so you don't need anything.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

.... his charming, bumbling best, a serial monogamist terrified of commitment,
who comes across as a sort of Bertie Wooster but with a measurable IQ. - Barry
Norman on Hugh Grant's persona in certain films, Radio Times 3-9 July 2010
 
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