Non-Win-user's save-as confusion.

I'm typing this in to a proper computer, while I log
my actions and Win7's response:-

Note pad is open with s19,
which I've added to,
but can't `save`
because the file came off an USBstik which is gone.

So I want to `saveas <ChosenPath\ChosenFileName>

-> SaveAs selects a default folder/path
but shows no chosen/default-Name

So let's guess that the original Name: s19 is used,
and just hit <enter>
==> there is no response.

So let's <add a fileName to the Win4Chosen path>.
Say 'dog'
==> Windows can't find 'eas\dog'......

Yes well I hope not, since I've tried to select an unused name.

If I in fact establish a dummy-file --\eas\dog,
then `save as ` asks what 'program to use to OPEN this file'.

I believe that I have previously done SaveAs under various
Win-versions.

What am I doing wrong now?
================

BTW would flight-simulator for Win3.1 [16bit AFAIK]
run on this thing?

wrote:
> I'm typing this in to a proper computer, while I log
> my actions and Win7's response:-
>
> Note pad is open with s19,
> which I've added to,
> but can't `save`
> because the file came off an USBstik which is gone.
>
> So I want to `saveas <ChosenPath\ChosenFileName>
>
> -> SaveAs selects a default folder/path
> but shows no chosen/default-Name
>
> So let's guess that the original Name: s19 is used,
> and just hit <enter>
> ==> there is no response.
>
> So let's <add a fileName to the Win4Chosen path>.
> Say 'dog'
> ==> Windows can't find 'eas\dog'......
>
> Yes well I hope not, since I've tried to select an unused name.
>
> If I in fact establish a dummy-file --\eas\dog,
> then `save as ` asks what 'program to use to OPEN this file'.
>
> I believe that I have previously done SaveAs under various
> Win-versions.
>
> What am I doing wrong now?
> ================
>
> BTW would flight-simulator for Win3.1 [16bit AFAIK]
> run on this thing?

Try "dog.txt" ? Windows likes to use the file extension,
to associate a data file, with a preferred application.

Paul

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 16:17:44 -0400, Paul wrote:

> wrote:
>> I'm typing this in to a proper computer, while I log
>> my actions and Win7's response:-
>>
>> Note pad is open with s19,
>> which I've added to,
>> but can't `save`
>> because the file came off an USBstik which is gone.
>>
>> So I want to `saveas <ChosenPath\ChosenFileName>
>>
>> -> SaveAs selects a default folder/path
>> but shows no chosen/default-Name
>>
>> So let's guess that the original Name: s19 is used,
>> and just hit <enter>
>> ==> there is no response.
>>
>> So let's <add a fileName to the Win4Chosen path>.
>> Say 'dog'
>> ==> Windows can't find 'eas\dog'......
>>
>> Yes well I hope not, since I've tried to select an unused name.
>>
>> If I in fact establish a dummy-file --\eas\dog,
>> then `save as ` asks what 'program to use to OPEN this file'.
>>
>> I believe that I have previously done SaveAs under various
>> Win-versions.
>>
>> What am I doing wrong now?
>> ================
>>
>> BTW would flight-simulator for Win3.1 [16bit AFAIK]
>> run on this thing?
>
> Try "dog.txt" ? Windows likes to use the file extension,
> to associate a data file, with a preferred application.
>
> Paul

In Notepad, I just did a save as using test (i.e., no extension) as the
file name, and in the folder it appeared as test.txt.

The OP is not giving us a clear idea of what he did, I suspect.

To the OP: you have also not given enough information to answer your
question about Flight Simulator. Whether it will run or not depends on
which OS you have.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

wrote:

> I'm typing this in to a proper computer

As an opening line, that's likely to put off quite a few who might help you

> Note pad is open with s19,
> which I've added to,
> but can't `save`
> because the file came off an USBstik which is gone.
> So I want to `saveas<ChosenPath\ChosenFileName>

> What am I doing wrong now?

Try giving it an absolute path

such as file ... saveas ... c:\users\fred\s19.txt

substitute for fred your actual username

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:53:26 +0000 (UTC), wrote:

>I'm typing this in to a proper computer, while I log
>my actions and Win7's response:-
>
>Note pad is open with s19,
> which I've added to,
>but can't `save`
>because the file came off an USBstik which is gone.

Correct. 'Save' requires that the original filename and path be
available and retained, and in the scenario where a USB stick is gone,
Save is not what you want. So far, so good.

>So I want to `saveas <ChosenPath\ChosenFileName>
>
>-> SaveAs selects a default folder/path
> but shows no chosen/default-Name

On my system, Save As selects a default path, which of course I can
change, and it defaults to the filename of the original file, which of
course I can also change.

>So let's guess that the original Name: s19 is used,
>and just hit <enter>
>==> there is no response.

If the Save As file dialog shows a blank filename, there is no
underlying assumption that Windows will fill it in for you when you
hit Enter. You have to enter a name; it can't be blank. So far, so
good.

> So let's <add a fileName to the Win4Chosen path>.
>Say 'dog'
>==> Windows can't find 'eas\dog'......

In all Windows file dialogs, the path and the filename are treated
separately. Don't use a backslash in the filename, and don't try to
add a filename to the path. They are separate and different from each
other.

>Yes well I hope not, since I've tried to select an unused name.
>
>If I in fact establish a dummy-file --\eas\dog,
> then `save as ` asks what 'program to use to OPEN this file'.
>
>I believe that I have previously done SaveAs under various
>Win-versions.
>
>What am I doing wrong now?

I suggest a beginner class at your local community college or perhaps
a book from the "for Dummies" series (no offense intended, they are
actually pretty good references). Opening and saving files are some of
the most basic building blocks upon which a ton of other things are
built.

--

Char Jackson

In message <>, Char Jackson
<> writes:
>On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:53:26 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
[]
>In all Windows file dialogs, the path and the filename are treated
>separately. Don't use a backslash in the filename, and don't try to
>add a filename to the path. They are separate and different from each
>other.

Not entirely so. Certainly in XP, you can give a _full_ filename
(starting with the drive letter). You can also give a full folder name
(I usually copy from the address bar in an explorer window; not sure if
Classic Shell for 7 gives that copy option); entering that as the file
_name_ will change the save window to that folder, where you can then
add the file name you want to use.
>
>>Yes well I hope not, since I've tried to select an unused name.
>>
>>If I in fact establish a dummy-file --\eas\dog,
>> then `save as ` asks what 'program to use to OPEN this file'.
>>
>>I believe that I have previously done SaveAs under various
>>Win-versions.
>>
>>What am I doing wrong now?
>
>I suggest a beginner class at your local community college or perhaps
>a book from the "for Dummies" series (no offense intended, they are
>actually pretty good references). Opening and saving files are some of
>the most basic building blocks upon which a ton of other things are
>built.
>
I suggest a little less reflex action - are you sure that the book would
explain why he's being asked what he wants to use to _open_ a file, when
he's typing a name into a _save_ window? (Do _you_ know why he's being
asked that?)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I am dyslexic Borg. Prepare to have your arse laminated. (from an undergrad at
Bristol Uni, via Brennig Jones.)

On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 11:58:22 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<> wrote:

>In message <>, Char Jackson
><> writes:
>>On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:53:26 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
>[]
>>In all Windows file dialogs, the path and the filename are treated
>>separately. Don't use a backslash in the filename, and don't try to
>>add a filename to the path. They are separate and different from each
>>other.
>
>Not entirely so. Certainly in XP, you can give a _full_ filename
>(starting with the drive letter). You can also give a full folder name
>(I usually copy from the address bar in an explorer window; not sure if
>Classic Shell for 7 gives that copy option); entering that as the file
>_name_ will change the save window to that folder, where you can then
>add the file name you want to use.

Please provide an example of what you're talking about because I can't
reproduce that behavior here on XP SP3 or 7 SP1. Just a reminder that
we're talking about the Windows file dialog that you get when you
click Save As in a Windows program. The path is in one part of the
file dialog and the filename is in a different part of that dialog.
Mixing and matching doesn't work for me and I don't think it ever has.

>>>Yes well I hope not, since I've tried to select an unused name.
>>>
>>>If I in fact establish a dummy-file --\eas\dog,
>>> then `save as ` asks what 'program to use to OPEN this file'.
>>>
>>>I believe that I have previously done SaveAs under various
>>>Win-versions.
>>>
>>>What am I doing wrong now?
>>
>>I suggest a beginner class at your local community college or perhaps
>>a book from the "for Dummies" series (no offense intended, they are
>>actually pretty good references). Opening and saving files are some of
>>the most basic building blocks upon which a ton of other things are
>>built.
>>
>I suggest a little less reflex action - are you sure that the book would
>explain why he's being asked what he wants to use to _open_ a file, when
>he's typing a name into a _save_ window? (Do _you_ know why he's being
>asked that?)

When a person doesn't know how to open or save files, is it really
worthwhile to try to troubleshoot something that is almost certainly
user error? It's not reflex action to suggest some basic training.

--

Char Jackson

In message <>, Char Jackson
<> writes:
>On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 11:58:22 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
><> wrote:
>
>>In message <>, Char Jackson
>><> writes:
>>>On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 19:53:26 +0000 (UTC), wrote:
>>[]
>>>In all Windows file dialogs, the path and the filename are treated
>>>separately. Don't use a backslash in the filename, and don't try to
>>>add a filename to the path. They are separate and different from each
>>>other.
>>
>>Not entirely so. Certainly in XP, you can give a _full_ filename
>>(starting with the drive letter). You can also give a full folder name
>>(I usually copy from the address bar in an explorer window; not sure if
>>Classic Shell for 7 gives that copy option); entering that as the file
>>_name_ will change the save window to that folder, where you can then
>>add the file name you want to use.
>
>Please provide an example of what you're talking about because I can't
>reproduce that behavior here on XP SP3 or 7 SP1. Just a reminder that
>we're talking about the Windows file dialog that you get when you
>click Save As in a Windows program. The path is in one part of the
>file dialog and the filename is in a different part of that dialog.
>Mixing and matching doesn't work for me and I don't think it ever has.

Sorry, don't have a 7 machine to hand. On this XP SP3, I just opened
Wordpad (to be sure I'm using something fairly standard), and clicked on
File, Save As: I get a Window headed Save As. If I type "D:\!backups"
(without the "") into the box labelled "File name", and press enter (I
do have such a folder), then the box at the top headed "Save in" changes
to "!backups", and the main window area shows the subfolders of my
D:\!backups folder (and would I'm sure have also shown any .rtf files I
had there if I had any).
[]
>>I suggest a little less reflex action - are you sure that the book would
>>explain why he's being asked what he wants to use to _open_ a file, when
>>he's typing a name into a _save_ window? (Do _you_ know why he's being
>>asked that?)
>
>When a person doesn't know how to open or save files, is it really
>worthwhile to try to troubleshoot something that is almost certainly
>user error? It's not reflex action to suggest some basic training.
>
I haven't seen any evidence that he doesn't know how to save files. His
lines

>>>If I in fact establish a dummy-file --\eas\dog,
>>> then `save as ` asks what 'program to use to OPEN this file'.

suggested to me that he's using "Save as".
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Bother," said Pooh, when he looked up his name in the dictionary.

On Sun, 2 Oct 2011 04:09:42 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<> wrote:

>In message <>, Char Jackson
><> writes:
>
>>When a person doesn't know how to open or save files, is it really
>>worthwhile to try to troubleshoot something that is almost certainly
>>user error? It's not reflex action to suggest some basic training.
>>
>I haven't seen any evidence that he doesn't know how to save files.

Have you seen the title of this thread? Have you followed the thread
at all? I don't know how you could come to a different conclusion but
I respect your opinion.

--

Char Jackson

In message <>, Char Jackson
<> writes:
>On Sun, 2 Oct 2011 04:09:42 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
><> wrote:
>
>>In message <>, Char Jackson
>><> writes:
>>
>>>When a person doesn't know how to open or save files, is it really
>>>worthwhile to try to troubleshoot something that is almost certainly
>>>user error? It's not reflex action to suggest some basic training.
>>>
>>I haven't seen any evidence that he doesn't know how to save files.
>
>Have you seen the title of this thread? Have you followed the thread
>at all? I don't know how you could come to a different conclusion but
>I respect your opinion.
>
I didn't say he definitely did, but just that it wasn't necessarily the
case that he didn't. He definitely mentioned using save as.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Bother," said Pooh, when he looked up his name in the dictionary.