Network File Sharing Trouble

I am stuck.

I want to set up file sharing (read & write) between my desktops and
my new Toshiba. I have done this before in XP between desktops with
few problems. They always have been connected 'wired' (CAT5) to my
router. Two of my desktops also have W7 installed and working
(bootable) on one of the desktop's hard drives. I have always been
able to file share from W7 to XP, but not vice versa. I could work
with that though.

Now I have the new Toshiba with W7 of course connected wireless to my
router. Like the other W7's, it can file share with XP drives on my
desktops. But I cannot file share between the Toshiba and a W7
desktop or vice versa, The error I get is that I lack privileges to
access the folders/files on a second machine. I think I am using
network sharing and not the so-called homegroup file sharing.

I have tried several Google suggestions, to no avail. Likewise W7
help. I am set up as a single user with administrator privileges.

Any ideas???

XieXie
Wei

On 05/07/2012 15:32, wrote:
> I am stuck.
>
> I want to set up file sharing (read& write) between my desktops and
> my new Toshiba. I have done this before in XP between desktops with
> few problems. They always have been connected 'wired' (CAT5) to my
> router. Two of my desktops also have W7 installed and working
> (bootable) on one of the desktop's hard drives. I have always been
> able to file share from W7 to XP, but not vice versa. I could work
> with that though.
>
> Now I have the new Toshiba with W7 of course connected wireless to my
> router. Like the other W7's, it can file share with XP drives on my
> desktops. But I cannot file share between the Toshiba and a W7
> desktop or vice versa, The error I get is that I lack privileges to
> access the folders/files on a second machine. I think I am using
> network sharing and not the so-called homegroup file sharing.
>
> I have tried several Google suggestions, to no avail. Likewise W7
> help. I am set up as a single user with administrator privileges.
>
> Any ideas???
>
Set up a workgroup, starting with the XP machine, then make sure you use
the same username and password (case sensitive) on all machines, and set
up all the machines to be in that workgroup. That's what worked for me.


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 15:44:43 +0100, John Williamson
<> wrote:


>Set up a workgroup, starting with the XP machine, then make sure you use
>the same username and password (case sensitive) on all machines, and set
>up all the machines to be in that workgroup. That's what worked for me.

When I set up the workgroup on my XP machines, I did not use a
password, and further did not even see setting a workgroup password to
be an option. Being a single user, my 'welcome' logon user choice is
singular and does not use a password either. Then I come to Windows 7
and find a new word (great!) 'homegroup'. So are you saying I should
set up a homegroup on the W7 machines complete with password? I don't
see that you can set up a homegroup without a password. True? Then I
guess I should be able to access files on a W7 machine via the
homegroup? As long as I remember its password? From XP machines
too?

XieXie
Wei

On 05/07/2012 16:31, wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 15:44:43 +0100, John Williamson
> <> wrote:
>
>
>> Set up a workgroup, starting with the XP machine, then make sure you use
>> the same username and password (case sensitive) on all machines, and set
>> up all the machines to be in that workgroup. That's what worked for me.
>
> When I set up the workgroup on my XP machines, I did not use a
> password, and further did not even see setting a workgroup password to
> be an option. Being a single user, my 'welcome' logon user choice is
> singular and does not use a password either. Then I come to Windows 7
> and find a new word (great!) 'homegroup'. So are you saying I should
> set up a homegroup on the W7 machines complete with password? I don't
> see that you can set up a homegroup without a password. True? Then I
> guess I should be able to access files on a W7 machine via the
> homegroup? As long as I remember its password? From XP machines
> too?
>
The Homegroup is purely a Windows 7 thing. It has nothing to do with XP
workgroups or networking.

Windows 7 Home Premium and Starter can't create a workgroup, but can
join one. XP can neither create nor, as far as I know, join a Homegroup.
So, no, you don't need to set up a Homegroup in Windows 7.

To create a password for your workgroup account in XP, open the User
Accounts page in Control Panel, select your user name and there will be
an option to create a password.

The default name for the XP Workgroup is "Workgroup", and you need to
make all the computers join this workgroup (There is a Network Setup
Wizard to help you) before you can share files. Computers must all have
different names, but be in the same workgroup. The name and workgroup
are best set up using the Network Setup Wizard. You also need to enable
simple file sharing on all the machines, and if you want to share a
printer, printer sharing as well. Then you need to share each individual
drive and printer using the options in Windows Explorer and the Printer
and Devices page in Control Panel.

Once you have done that, then you need to make sure you are using the
same username and password on the Windows 7 machines as on the XP machine.


--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 11:31:11 -0400, wrote:

> On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 15:44:43 +0100, John Williamson
> <> wrote:
>
>>Set up a workgroup, starting with the XP machine, then make sure you use
>>the same username and password (case sensitive) on all machines, and set
>>up all the machines to be in that workgroup. That's what worked for me.
>
> When I set up the workgroup on my XP machines, I did not use a
> password, and further did not even see setting a workgroup password to
> be an option. Being a single user, my 'welcome' logon user choice is
> singular and does not use a password either. Then I come to Windows 7
> and find a new word (great!) 'homegroup'. So are you saying I should
> set up a homegroup on the W7 machines complete with password? I don't
> see that you can set up a homegroup without a password. True? Then I
> guess I should be able to access files on a W7 machine via the
> homegroup? As long as I remember its password? From XP machines
> too?
>
> XieXie
> Wei

I want to emphasize something that may not be completely clear at this
moment.

The password does not belong to the workgroup, it belongs to a user on
each computer. An account used for sharing must have a password.

I made sharing work by having an account on each computer with the same
account name and the same password. I chose to make that account a
standard account, not an administrator account.

And I'll also emphasize John's remark that you need to use a workgroup,
since XP can't join a homegroup.

As an aside, the extra account on this computer has the same name as the
owner's account on the other computer. I forget if I did the
corresponding thing on the other computer, but I probably didn't have
to.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 18:17:02 +0100, John Williamson
<> wrote:

>On 05/07/2012 16:31, wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 15:44:43 +0100, John Williamson
>> <> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Set up a workgroup, starting with the XP machine, then make sure you use
>>> the same username and password (case sensitive) on all machines, and set
>>> up all the machines to be in that workgroup. That's what worked for me.
>>
>> When I set up the workgroup on my XP machines, I did not use a
>> password, and further did not even see setting a workgroup password to
>> be an option. Being a single user, my 'welcome' logon user choice is
>> singular and does not use a password either. Then I come to Windows 7
>> and find a new word (great!) 'homegroup'. So are you saying I should
>> set up a homegroup on the W7 machines complete with password? I don't
>> see that you can set up a homegroup without a password. True? Then I
>> guess I should be able to access files on a W7 machine via the
>> homegroup? As long as I remember its password? From XP machines
>> too?
>>
>The Homegroup is purely a Windows 7 thing. It has nothing to do with XP
>workgroups or networking.
>
>Windows 7 Home Premium and Starter can't create a workgroup, but can
>join one. XP can neither create nor, as far as I know, join a Homegroup.
>So, no, you don't need to set up a Homegroup in Windows 7.
>
>To create a password for your workgroup account in XP, open the User
>Accounts page in Control Panel, select your user name and there will be
>an option to create a password.
>
>The default name for the XP Workgroup is "Workgroup", and you need to
>make all the computers join this workgroup (There is a Network Setup
>Wizard to help you) before you can share files. Computers must all have
>different names, but be in the same workgroup. The name and workgroup
>are best set up using the Network Setup Wizard. You also need to enable
>simple file sharing on all the machines, and if you want to share a
>printer, printer sharing as well. Then you need to share each individual
>drive and printer using the options in Windows Explorer and the Printer
>and Devices page in Control Panel.
>
>Once you have done that, then you need to make sure you are using the
>same username and password on the Windows 7 machines as on the XP machine.


No change.
The desktop W7 machine and laptop Toshiba W7 have same single login
user name (Me) as Administrator with no password. The desktop XP
machine has different single login name as Administrator with no
password. I could change the XP login username to match that of the
W7 machines, but I really don't see what good that would do. File and
printer sharing is set up on all three machines. In fact, I can print
and scan on my AIO printer from all three. I can access and change
files and folders on the XP machine from either W7 machine, but not
vice versa, I cannot access files on either W7 machine from either W7
machine,

The error message I keep getting is that the shared filename is not
accessible and I that I may not have proper permissions for that
access. Note - I have set the permission level on all machines to
EVERYONE.

Thank you again for your interest because I am really getting
disgusted.
XieXie
Wei

On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 14:37:47 -0400, wrote:

> I could change the XP login username to match that of the
> W7 machines, but I really don't see what good that would do.

It would make it work, that's what good it would do.

I didn't change any user names, I added accounts as needed. And I made
sure that the same account names appeared on each unit.

And I gave each account a password, since AFAIK, it's required for this
to work.

This info is in my other recent post.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 11:29:45 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

> On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 11:31:11 -0400, wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 15:44:43 +0100, John Williamson
>> <> wrote:
>>
>>>Set up a workgroup, starting with the XP machine, then make sure you use
>>>the same username and password (case sensitive) on all machines, and set
>>>up all the machines to be in that workgroup. That's what worked for me.
>>
>> When I set up the workgroup on my XP machines, I did not use a
>> password, and further did not even see setting a workgroup password to
>> be an option. Being a single user, my 'welcome' logon user choice is
>> singular and does not use a password either. Then I come to Windows 7
>> and find a new word (great!) 'homegroup'. So are you saying I should
>> set up a homegroup on the W7 machines complete with password? I don't
>> see that you can set up a homegroup without a password. True? Then I
>> guess I should be able to access files on a W7 machine via the
>> homegroup? As long as I remember its password? From XP machines
>> too?
>>
>> XieXie
>> Wei
>
> I want to emphasize something that may not be completely clear at this
> moment.
>
> The password does not belong to the workgroup, it belongs to a user on
> each computer. An account used for sharing must have a password.
>
> I made sharing work by having an account on each computer with the same
> account name and the same password. I chose to make that account a
> standard account, not an administrator account.
>
> And I'll also emphasize John's remark that you need to use a workgroup,
> since XP can't join a homegroup.
>
> As an aside, the extra account on this computer has the same name as the
> owner's account on the other computer. I forget if I did the
> corresponding thing on the other computer, but I probably didn't have
> to.

The other computer does have an account with this computer's main user
name; that account is set as a standard user.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

<> wrote in message
news:...

> When I set up the workgroup on my XP machines, I did not use a
> password, and further did not even see setting a workgroup password to
> be an option. Being a single user, my 'welcome' logon user choice is
> singular and does not use a password either. Then I come to Windows 7
> and find a new word (great!) 'homegroup'. So are you saying I should
> set up a homegroup on the W7 machines complete with password? I don't

You need not bother with Win7 homegroups (designed for public networks,
not private ones): just specify a single workgroup, the same name on all
PCs.
Woody Leonhard's Windows7 for Dummies explains all this clearly (and the
limitations to "Win7 Premium," designed to make you upgrade to
"Professional.")

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

On Thu, 5 Jul 2012 11:42:06 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
<not-> wrote:

>On Thu, 05 Jul 2012 14:37:47 -0400, wrote:
>
>> I could change the XP login username to match that of the
>> W7 machines, but I really don't see what good that would do.
>
>It would make it work, that's what good it would do.

Yep you're right on that one. I created an account on XP machine with
same name as account on W7 machine, and I can not at least access
files/folders from XP to W7 which I could not do before. Of course
the new XP account lost all of the old accounts settings, so I need to
figure out how to copy setting from the old account to the new. I
assume there is a way. Hope so. I couldn't simply rename the old
account to the new name, which is why I created the new account just
to see if it file-shared which it did. Of course I still cannot
file-share between W7 machines.
XieXie
Wei
>
>I didn't change any user names, I added accounts as needed. And I made
>sure that the same account names appeared on each unit.
>
>And I gave each account a password, since AFAIK, it's required for this
>to work.
>
>This info is in my other recent post.