NETGEAR Powerline AV 200 Adapter Kit XAVB2001 - Bridge - HomePlugAV (HPAV) - wall-pluggable

Does this work to have fast internet access? My telephone lone is about
20ft away from my desktop and now I getting internet via a wireless ADSL
Modem. I was wondering if I buy something like these plugs (See link
below) it would increase the speed throughput with cables Cat5/6?

Apparently these plugs allow you to get signals via the electric cables
in the house.

<http://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-Powerline-Adapter-XAVB2001-wall-pluggable/dp/B00346SZ90>

Thanks.

On Mon, 15 Aug 2011 03:25:00 +0100, Electric Plugs wrote:

> Does this work to have fast internet access? My telephone lone is about
> 20ft away from my desktop and now I getting internet via a wireless ADSL
> Modem. I was wondering if I buy something like these plugs (See link
> below) it would increase the speed throughput with cables Cat5/6?
>
> Apparently these plugs allow you to get signals via the electric cables
> in the house.
>
> <http://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-Powerline-Adapter-XAVB2001-wall-pluggable/dp/B00346SZ90>
>
> Thanks.

I have recently switched from WAN to a Netgear Powerline 85, and my
media transfers and other things work a lot better.

But in my house the WAN was a lot faster than my Internet connection, so
an improvement in Internet speed didn't happen; it's the increase in
robustness that makes me happy.

IIRC, the 200 is faster than the 85 (thus the name), but it doesn't
matter. They're both much faster than the Internet connection, so you
can't expect a speed increase on the Internet. Especially with DSL, I'd
think, unless they've perked it up a lot from when I used it.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 14/08/2011 10:25 PM, Electric Plugs wrote:
>
>
> Does this work to have fast internet access? My telephone lone is about
> 20ft away from my desktop and now I getting internet via a wireless ADSL
> Modem. I was wondering if I buy something like these plugs (See link
> below) it would increase the speed throughput with cables Cat5/6?
>
> Apparently these plugs allow you to get signals via the electric cables
> in the house.
>
> <http://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-Powerline-Adapter-XAVB2001-wall-pluggable/dp/B00346SZ90>
>
> Thanks.

I use the Netgear XAV101 200Mbps adapters myself, which is probably an
earlier model of the same thing. I've been using powerline ethernet
adapters for several years now, starting with some Dlink gear that were
not compatible with the HomePlug standard for powerline ethernet. At
their worst, they all work much better than any Wi-Fi connection at its
best. Even if they have similar throughput on specs, the powerline
adapter will be much more reliable than a WiFi adapter.

Now as for whether they will improve your Internet access -- not
directly. They will let remote computers attached via these adapters get
more reliable access to the Internet. But these adapters are much faster
than most Internet connections, so the Internet won't move any faster
because they are already as fast as they can be. But you'll notice that
the communications between various computers inside your house will be
much faster.

Yousuf Khan

Electric Plugs wrote:
>
> Does this work to have fast internet access? My telephone lone is about
> 20ft away from my desktop and now I getting internet via a wireless ADSL
> Modem. I was wondering if I buy something like these plugs (See link
> below) it would increase the speed throughput with cables Cat5/6?
>
> Apparently these plugs allow you to get signals via the electric cables
> in the house.
>
> <http://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-Powerline-Adapter-XAVB2001-wall-pluggable/dp/B00346SZ90>
>
> Thanks.

Putting EMI onto the power lines, upsets amateur radio
usage. Try something else instead. It's an abuse of
technology (whether the frequency band polluted is notched
or not).

I'm not a ham radio operator, but I've read enough about
their struggles to deal with the noise from it.

At least with Wifi as an alternative, there is a defined
band for the Wifi to pollute (shared with things like
your microwave oven).

Paul

On 8/15/2011 3:00 AM, Paul wrote:
> Electric Plugs wrote:
>>
>> Does this work to have fast internet access? My telephone lone is about
>> 20ft away from my desktop and now I getting internet via a wireless ADSL
>> Modem. I was wondering if I buy something like these plugs (See link
>> below) it would increase the speed throughput with cables Cat5/6?
>>
>> Apparently these plugs allow you to get signals via the electric cables
>> in the house.
>>
>> <http://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-Powerline-Adapter-XAVB2001-wall-pluggable/dp/B00346SZ90>
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> Putting EMI onto the power lines, upsets amateur radio
> usage. Try something else instead. It's an abuse of
> technology (whether the frequency band polluted is notched
> or not).
>
> I'm not a ham radio operator, but I've read enough about
> their struggles to deal with the noise from it.
>
> At least with Wifi as an alternative, there is a defined
> band for the Wifi to pollute (shared with things like
> your microwave oven).
>
> Paul

The power company adds EMI to the incoming power anyway.
Remote demand control of such things as air conditioners, water heaters,
etc.
Possibly Meter reading in some locations. They are usually vary happy to
sell you filters at an outrageous price.

As to the low power Ethernet to power adapters, You would need to be
fairly close to have problems, or a an amateur with a rather poor
receiver.

That said, the power to Ethernet adapters work when they are on the same
circuit, or at least the same side of the usual 240/120 (or so) split
phase used in most US residences.

I've had better luck with routers that are both Ethernet and wireless
than power line to Ethernet adapters.

charlie wrote:
> On 8/15/2011 3:00 AM, Paul wrote:
>> Electric Plugs wrote:
>>>
>>> Does this work to have fast internet access? My telephone lone is about
>>> 20ft away from my desktop and now I getting internet via a wireless ADSL
>>> Modem. I was wondering if I buy something like these plugs (See link
>>> below) it would increase the speed throughput with cables Cat5/6?
>>>
>>> Apparently these plugs allow you to get signals via the electric cables
>>> in the house.
>>>
>>> <http://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-Powerline-Adapter-XAVB2001-wall-pluggable/dp/B00346SZ90>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>
>> Putting EMI onto the power lines, upsets amateur radio
>> usage. Try something else instead. It's an abuse of
>> technology (whether the frequency band polluted is notched
>> or not).
>>
>> I'm not a ham radio operator, but I've read enough about
>> their struggles to deal with the noise from it.
>>
>> At least with Wifi as an alternative, there is a defined
>> band for the Wifi to pollute (shared with things like
>> your microwave oven).
>>
>> Paul
>
> The power company adds EMI to the incoming power anyway.
> Remote demand control of such things as air conditioners, water heaters,
> etc.
> Possibly Meter reading in some locations. They are usually vary happy to
> sell you filters at an outrageous price.
>
> As to the low power Ethernet to power adapters, You would need to be
> fairly close to have problems, or a an amateur with a rather poor receiver.
>
> That said, the power to Ethernet adapters work when they are on the same
> circuit, or at least the same side of the usual 240/120 (or so) split
> phase used in most US residences.
>
> I've had better luck with routers that are both Ethernet and wireless
> than power line to Ethernet adapters.

Our intelligent meters here, use Wifi and a piconet (point to point relay).
So the lines themselves aren't used for communications at all. The Wifi
frequency, probably isn't the same as computer Wifi.

It really depends on what country you're in, as to how feasible long
range communications is, over power lines. Where the transformers are
and the like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication

"The second major issue is signal strength and operating frequency.

The system was expected to use frequencies of 10 to 30 MHz, which has
been used for many decades by amateur radio operators, as well as
international shortwave broadcasters and a variety of communications
systems (military, aeronautical, etc.).

Power lines are unshielded and will act as antennas for the signals
they carry, and have they will interfere with shortwave radio
communications."

In my estimation (with no vested interest for or against this tech,
since I'm not into amateur radio), this was pushed out without
sufficient and proper testing. It should have been stopped, as a
polluter of the airwaves and never been sold to consumers. There
are plenty of other schemes (like Wifi) that treat their
RF space properly (i.e. follow whatever license rules were
provided on ERP and the like). Even when your Wifi isn't working,
because of local radio pollution, at least the Wifi isn't likely
to be affecting someone else's ability to use a shortwave radio,
or listen to a broadcast radio signal (AM/FM).

Paul

On 8/15/2011 4:07 AM, Paul wrote:
> charlie wrote:
>> On 8/15/2011 3:00 AM, Paul wrote:
>>> Electric Plugs wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Does this work to have fast internet access? My telephone lone is about
>>>> 20ft away from my desktop and now I getting internet via a wireless
>>>> ADSL
>>>> Modem. I was wondering if I buy something like these plugs (See link
>>>> below) it would increase the speed throughput with cables Cat5/6?
>>>>
>>>> Apparently these plugs allow you to get signals via the electric cables
>>>> in the house.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.amazon.co.uk/NETGEAR-Powerline-Adapter-XAVB2001-wall-pluggable/dp/B00346SZ90>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Putting EMI onto the power lines, upsets amateur radio
>>> usage. Try something else instead. It's an abuse of
>>> technology (whether the frequency band polluted is notched
>>> or not).
>>>
>>> I'm not a ham radio operator, but I've read enough about
>>> their struggles to deal with the noise from it.
>>>
>>> At least with Wifi as an alternative, there is a defined
>>> band for the Wifi to pollute (shared with things like
>>> your microwave oven).
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> The power company adds EMI to the incoming power anyway.
>> Remote demand control of such things as air conditioners, water
>> heaters, etc.
>> Possibly Meter reading in some locations. They are usually vary happy
>> to sell you filters at an outrageous price.
>>
>> As to the low power Ethernet to power adapters, You would need to be
>> fairly close to have problems, or a an amateur with a rather poor
>> receiver.
>>
>> That said, the power to Ethernet adapters work when they are on the
>> same circuit, or at least the same side of the usual 240/120 (or so)
>> split phase used in most US residences.
>>
>> I've had better luck with routers that are both Ethernet and wireless
>> than power line to Ethernet adapters.
>
> Our intelligent meters here, use Wifi and a piconet (point to point relay).
> So the lines themselves aren't used for communications at all. The Wifi
> frequency, probably isn't the same as computer Wifi.
>
> It really depends on what country you're in, as to how feasible long
> range communications is, over power lines. Where the transformers are
> and the like.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication
>
> "The second major issue is signal strength and operating frequency.
>
> The system was expected to use frequencies of 10 to 30 MHz, which has
> been used for many decades by amateur radio operators, as well as
> international shortwave broadcasters and a variety of communications
> systems (military, aeronautical, etc.).
>
> Power lines are unshielded and will act as antennas for the signals
> they carry, and have they will interfere with shortwave radio
> communications."
>
> In my estimation (with no vested interest for or against this tech,
> since I'm not into amateur radio), this was pushed out without
> sufficient and proper testing. It should have been stopped, as a
> polluter of the airwaves and never been sold to consumers. There
> are plenty of other schemes (like Wifi) that treat their
> RF space properly (i.e. follow whatever license rules were
> provided on ERP and the like). Even when your Wifi isn't working,
> because of local radio pollution, at least the Wifi isn't likely
> to be affecting someone else's ability to use a shortwave radio,
> or listen to a broadcast radio signal (AM/FM).
>
> Paul

In my locale, the major source of "noise" that was impacting amateur
radio was a high power over the horizon radar that has since been
"mothballed". There is still some interference from a long range radar
used for weather and possibly ATC. The noise is a "tick" that many AM
radio receivers see, particularly shortwave receivers. The front end of
the receiver is momentarily overloaded, unless it has serious noise
suppression and limiting circuitry similar to that used in helicopter
radios. QRP unlicensed(not required) devices abound these days.

The cable companies (TV & Internet, plus other services) are more likely
to cause interference than the power/ethernet adapters.

I once had a shortwave receiver that had crystal bandwidth filters, and
a tunable "Q" multiplier/notch filter. The add on noise limiter circuit
used a Collins Radio patented design, and a circuit that literally shut
down the the RF and audio amplifiers during a noise pulse.

"Electric Plugs" <> wrote in message
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>
>
> Does this work to have fast internet access? My telephone lone is about
> 20ft away from my desktop and now I getting internet via a wireless ADSL
> Modem. I was wondering if I buy something like these plugs (See link
> below) it would increase the speed throughput with cables Cat5/6?

Short answer, no. The "weakest link" in your chain is most likely the
Internet service you pay for. I doubt you are getting (or even have
available) an ADSL service that is faster than the WiFi you will use to
connect to the modem.

For in the house connections (PC to PC, PC to media player, etc...) it can
help but you didn't list that as something you are doing.

On 15/08/2011 4:07 AM, Paul wrote:
> In my estimation (with no vested interest for or against this tech,
> since I'm not into amateur radio), this was pushed out without
> sufficient and proper testing. It should have been stopped, as a
> polluter of the airwaves and never been sold to consumers. There
> are plenty of other schemes (like Wifi) that treat their
> RF space properly (i.e. follow whatever license rules were
> provided on ERP and the like). Even when your Wifi isn't working,
> because of local radio pollution, at least the Wifi isn't likely
> to be affecting someone else's ability to use a shortwave radio,
> or listen to a broadcast radio signal (AM/FM).

Don't forget Wi-Fi used to interfere with cordless phones, and
vice-versa at one time.

Yousuf Khan

Yousuf Khan wrote:
> On 15/08/2011 4:07 AM, Paul wrote:
>> In my estimation (with no vested interest for or against this tech,
>> since I'm not into amateur radio), this was pushed out without
>> sufficient and proper testing. It should have been stopped, as a
>> polluter of the airwaves and never been sold to consumers. There
>> are plenty of other schemes (like Wifi) that treat their
>> RF space properly (i.e. follow whatever license rules were
>> provided on ERP and the like). Even when your Wifi isn't working,
>> because of local radio pollution, at least the Wifi isn't likely
>> to be affecting someone else's ability to use a shortwave radio,
>> or listen to a broadcast radio signal (AM/FM).
>
> Don't forget Wi-Fi used to interfere with cordless phones, and
> vice-versa at one time.
>
> Yousuf Khan

Hmmm. Who can we blame for that ? :-)

Paul