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      11-19-2010
Microsoft Security Essentials scored another victory. I just recieved the December 2010 issue of PC World today.This issue has an article about the 100 Best Products of 2010. MSE is #10. The only other security products in the list are Norton Antivirus 2011 at #37 and PC Tools Internet Security 2011 at #51. Microsoft Office beats the last two at #19.
Another big win for Microsoft.

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The list is corrupted. Norton should be at the extreme very end, even if there were 10 million entries. So take it all with a grain...

(It's a magazine which has advertisers....hrmmmm....draw your own conclusions.)

But yes, MSE is perfect as I always say....it's the only antivirus which can not and does not cause bsods.
 
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You can't take PC World's word for anything. When I bought this desktop last November, it was rated best out of three computers for the best sub $750 computer. Looking back, there was mine, a Dell (I would've never bought that one) and a Toshiba.

I should have bought the Toshiba, although it had only 3GB RAM, and not much more impressive specs than mine had, the main parts were in a tower, and there would have been room for any upgrades that I wanted. About all that I could do to upgrade my HP MS214 all in one was upgrade the RAM to 4GB and upgrade the hard drive to 1TB (man, it killed me to see that Samsung Spinpoint F4 2TB at Newegg for $79.99, with discount code). Windows just delivered an update to support 2TB drives (KB2249857). I could have easily held at least fifty VM's with that drive.

But my point is PC World's "reviews", like TG stated, take it with a grain of salt and go on. Had I done so, I'd be sitting here with one of those six core AMD CPU's, a 1GB video card, and at least 6GB RAM. It may have taken a new MOBO to have done it (mabye not), but I'd be there by now.

I no longer take PC World's word on nothing, period.

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Norton or PC Tools don't belong on the list at all. But, readers were also allowed to vote out of there list. I only selected MSE. The rest of the items I could select, I could care less about any of them.Office 2010 is on the back burner for now. Maybe next summer I'll replace Office 2007 with it. I've got other things coming ahead of it though.Like a new all-in-one printer (next month), hdtv(January, X- Box 360 for transferring WMC to hdtv (February), and a decent sound card for this pc. Then in early summer a MSI or Asus 890FX motherboard. Then I'll think about Office 2010.
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The list is corrupted. Norton should be at the extreme very end, even if there were 10 million entries. So take it all with a grain...

(It's a magazine which has advertisers....hrmmmm....draw your own conclusions.)

But yes, MSE is perfect as I always say....it's the only antivirus which can not and does not cause bsods.
 
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Cat, don't use PC World or PC Magazine for computer reviews befor making decisions on what to buy. Use Maximum PC (www.maximumpc.com) or Computer Power User (www.computerpoweruser.com)- also known as CPU magazine instead.
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You can't take PC World's word for anything. When I bought this desktop last November, it was rated best out of three computers for the best sub $750 computer. Looking back, there was mine, a Dell (I would've never bought that one) and a Toshiba.

I should have bought the Toshiba, although it had only 3GB RAM, and not much more impressive specs than mine had, the main parts were in a tower, and there would have been room for any upgrades that I wanted. About all that I could do to upgrade my HP MS214 all in one was upgrade the RAM to 4GB and upgrade the hard drive to 1TB (man, it killed me to see that Samsung Spinpoint F4 2TB at Newegg for $79.99, with discount code). Windows just delivered an update to support 2TB drives (KB2249857). I could have easily held at least fifty VM's with that drive.

But my point is PC World's "reviews", like TG stated, take it with a grain of salt and go on. Had I done so, I'd be sitting here with one of those six core AMD CPU's, a 1GB video card, and at least 6GB RAM. It may have taken a new MOBO to have done it (mabye not), but I'd be there by now.

I no longer take PC World's word on nothing, period.

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Norton or PC Tools don't belong on the list at all. But, readers were also allowed to vote out of there list. I only selected MSE. The rest of the items I could select, I could care less about any of them.Office 2010 is on the back burner for now. Maybe next summer I'll replace Office 2007 with it. I've got other things coming ahead of it though.Like a new all-in-one printer (next month), hdtv(January, X- Box 360 for transferring WMC to hdtv (February), and a decent sound card for this pc. Then in early summer a MSI or Asus 890FX motherboard. Then I'll think about Office 2010.
You'll like Office 2010 Professional Plus, if you can swing it ($500+ taxes). If not, Office 2010 Standard does well too, for a lesser cost.

I bought a Kodak ESP3250 all in one printer about three months ago, I caught it on sale from Kodak/Digital River (don't know the connection between the two) for $69, with free shipping. It prints pictures as good or better than the ones you get at the drug stores, and I use genuine Kodak papers, not store brands like the drug stores do. Plus, Kodak inks are the least expensive of all of the name brands, and lasts longer. Their name brand ink costs less than store brands of many other models. I can buy a refill pack (one color, one B&W) for $29 at most stores, and you can print many pictures with it.

I also selected MSE, but have it backed up with MBAM 1.50, and the ESET Online Scanner, an app that I highly recommend to anyone. It truly deep scans your system, usually scanning longer than your installed AV does. Plus it's free.

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I'm getting a Epson Artisan 725 and Office Home & Student. I don't need anything other than what's in Office 2010 Home & Student. Word's really all I use. Excel occasionally. Power Point never. Windows Live Mail is good enough. The Kodak printer's don't print the color's in pictures correctly (too much orange). The Epson has good reviews and looks more modern. Yeah, it cost's a little more, but I'm getting it next month from Newegg or Amazon during the Christmas sales.
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You'll like Office 2010 Professional Plus, if you can swing it ($500+ taxes). If not, Office 2010 Standard does well too, for a lesser cost.

I bought a Kodak ESP3250 all in one printer about three months ago, I caught it on sale from Kodak/Digital River (don't know the connection between the two) for $69, with free shipping. It prints pictures as good or better than the ones you get at the drug stores, and I use genuine Kodak papers, not store brands like the drug stores do. Plus, Kodak inks are the least expensive of all of the name brands, and lasts longer. Their name brand ink costs less than store brands of many other models. I can buy a refill pack (one color, one B&W) for $29 at most stores, and you can print many pictures with it.

I also selected MSE, but have it backed up with MBAM 1.50, and the ESET Online Scanner, an app that I highly recommend to anyone. It truly deep scans your system, usually scanning longer than your installed AV does. Plus it's free.

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Any review from a magazine such as PC World and others of its ilk are to be suspect in the least!

So far as any place that I would trust of reviewing AV or IS applications would be: www.av-comparatives.org

There are a couple of other websites also, but av-comparatives does an excellent job and keeps their results updated on usually a quarterly basis.

Also, contrary to some popular opinion, nothing... I mean nothing made, designed, created or whatever by a human being is "perfect". It is inherently flawed because humans are flawed. So to state that a program is perfect is somewhat fallacious.

Some AV software works extremely well and with little user input or action, while others are more demanding and can be a royal pain in the rear. That's why there's the free market so the consumer may decide what works best for their own particular situation.

The two best AV or IS programs I have ever used and neither one EVER caused ANY issues whatsoever are: ESET and G DATA. Both are VERY user friendly, very efficient, fast and do their job they're designed for. Yes, these are programs which one must purchase, so be it. The both have their little flaws and quirks which some may find annoying, others wouldn't.

In the end, it's the end-users choice to decide what works best for them. That's why the majority of AV and IS applications give usually a minimum of a 14 to 30 day trial period.

However, we could continue to argue about which AV application is the best until First Contact is made! These always remind me of the arguments theologians had back in the Middle Ages, trying to decide how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.
 
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Very true. It's nice to see MSE score higher than Norton and McAfee in the same week, though. As far as trusting there reviews on pc's or components, you always have to wonder if somebody bought off whoever at the magazine. I do check the site's you listed, along with Matousek's for firewall's, etc. It's nice to see the magazine's proving Symantec's and McAfee's claims wrong on getting better a/v and a/s protection from there paid products that are resource hog's. Wouldn't you agree ?
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Any review from a magazine such as PC World and others of its ilk are to be suspect in the least!

So far as any place that I would trust of reviewing AV or IS applications would be: www.av-comparatives.org

There are a couple of other websites also, but av-comparatives does an excellent job and keeps their results updated on usually a quarterly basis.

Also, contrary to some popular opinion, nothing... I mean nothing made, designed, created or whatever by a human being is "perfect". It is inherently flawed because humans are flawed. So to state that a program is perfect is somewhat fallacious.

Some AV software works extremely well and with little user input or action, while others are more demanding and can be a royal pain in the rear. That's why there's the free market so the consumer may decide what works best for their own particular situation.

The two best AV or IS programs I have ever used and neither one EVER caused ANY issues whatsoever are: ESET and G DATA. Both are VERY user friendly, very efficient, fast and do their job they're designed for. Yes, these are programs which one must purchase, so be it. The both have their little flaws and quirks which some may find annoying, others wouldn't.

In the end, it's the end-users choice to decide what works best for them. That's why the majority of AV and IS applications give usually a minimum of a 14 to 30 day trial period.

However, we could continue to argue about which AV application is the best until First Contact is made! These always remind me of the arguments theologians had back in the Middle Ages, trying to decide how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.
 
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The two best AV or IS programs I have ever used and neither one EVER caused ANY issues whatsoever are: ESET and G DATA
I never claimed that these apps can't have an excellent track record for a given particular user. I am however, claiming that MSE is the only antivirus that can never be the cause of a bsod under any circumstances or in any given situation.

So with respect to stop errors, a.k.a. "bsod", yes MSE is absolutely 100% perfect.

ESET, GDATA and all others are not. There is not a day that goes by that I don't see ESET crashing machines. It's usually, but not always, a version that is half a year old. The new one does it too.

As for GDATA. I don't think I've even even seen it installed on a machine out of 10s of thousands of crash dumps I've looked at.
 
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