MMC.exe application replacement

On 1/20/2012, Allen Drake posted:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:39:18 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
> <> wrote:

>> On 1/17/2012, Allen Drake posted:
>>> I actually have never done a repair install on Win7. I will end up
>>> replacing the drive with a clone from a month ago or so.
>>
>> If the system is going into mothballs anyway, that gives you a great
>> opportunity to experiment with the repair install with no fear of the
>> consequences.
> Very true. I always try to clone me drive before attempting anything
> these days. Many times I have to shuffler around all the clones of my
> systems and get rid of redundant drives. I have burned myself on
> several occasions if I remember correctly but not in some time.

I've mentioned this somewhere on Usenet recently, but maybe not this
NG.

I keep a spreadsheet with a list of all the external drives in the
house and what is backed up on them[1]. It helps, but not completely,
because even with the spreadsheet it's confusing. It's also become
clear to me that my bookeeping is not all that accurate or timely :-)

[1] Some of the drives are for old computers no longer in use, but I'm
a packrat ^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h historian.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 1/20/2012, Char Jackson posted:
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 04:06:32 -0500, Allen Drake <>
> wrote:

>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:15:03 -0500, "Peter Foldes" <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Allen Drake" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>>>
>>>> I am wondering if I can replace this application with one from
>>>> another Win7 system. When I try to access Event Viewer(MMC.exe) will
>>>> not run and may be corrupt.
>>>>
>>>> I am convinced that MS Windows update has once again screwed up
>>>> another system. Ya. I know all you guys that say it just ain't gonna
>>>> happen and I shouldn't blame MS. It will take a lot of convincing
>>>
>>> Allen
>>>
>>> Try *** eventvwr.msc*** instead of the mmc.exe extension and then what
>>> happens ???
>>>
>>> JS
>>
>> In what context? Do I try to open that file or run it? I will look
>> for it tonight.

> *.msc files are to be run, not opened.

OTOH, if you choose open, it runs, no?

At least that's what happens here.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:38:28 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
<> wrote:

>On 1/20/2012, Char Jackson posted:
>> On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 04:06:32 -0500, Allen Drake <>
>> wrote:
>
>>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:15:03 -0500, "Peter Foldes" <>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Allen Drake" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:...
>>>>>
>>>>> I am wondering if I can replace this application with one from
>>>>> another Win7 system. When I try to access Event Viewer(MMC.exe) will
>>>>> not run and may be corrupt.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am convinced that MS Windows update has once again screwed up
>>>>> another system. Ya. I know all you guys that say it just ain't gonna
>>>>> happen and I shouldn't blame MS. It will take a lot of convincing
>>>>
>>>> Allen
>>>>
>>>> Try *** eventvwr.msc*** instead of the mmc.exe extension and then what
>>>> happens ???
>>>>
>>>> JS
>>>
>>> In what context? Do I try to open that file or run it? I will look
>>> for it tonight.
>
>> *.msc files are to be run, not opened.
>
>OTOH, if you choose open, it runs, no?
>
>At least that's what happens here.

Well, yes, but the expected method of execution for the many .msc
files is to simply click Start, Run, enter all or part of the
filename, and hit Enter. Trying to open one of those files sort of
implies navigating to it first, and that's an additional effort.

Here are most of them. I've added a description to the ones I use
frequently.

certmgr.msc
ciadv.msc
compmgmt.msc - Computer Management
devmgmt.msc - Device Manager
dfrg.msc
diskmgmt.msc - Disk Management
eventvwr.msc - Event Viewer
fsmgmt.msc
gpedit.msc - Group Policy Editor
lusrmgr.msc
ntmsmgr.msc
ntmsoprq.msc
perfmon.msc - Performance Monitor
rsop.msc
secpol.msc
services.msc - Services Manager
wmimgmt.msc

Likewise, the various Control Panel applets can be launched directly
by using the same method to run the respective *.cpl file. The big
difference is that *.cpl filenames aren't descriptive in the
slightest, so you almost need a decoder ring.

--

Char Jackson

On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:12:49 -0600, DanS
<> wrote:

>Allen Drake <> wrote in
>news::
>
>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 06:30:17 -0600, DanS
>> <> wrote:
>>
>>>Allen Drake <> wrote in
>>>news::
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:45:44 -0600, DanS
>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Allen Drake <> wrote in
>>>>>news::
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am wondering if I can replace this application with
>>>>>> one from
>>>>>> another Win7 system. When I try to access Event
>>>>>> Viewer(MMC.exe) will not run and may be corrupt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am convinced that MS Windows update has once again
>>>>>> screwed up
>>>>>> another system. Ya. I know all you guys that say it
>>>>>> just ain't gonna happen
>>>>>
>>>>>No one ever said that.
>>>>>
>>>>>> and I shouldn't blame MS.
>>>>>
>>>>>or that.
>>>>>
>>>>>But, how did the repair install go?
>>>>>
>>>>>Why keep futzing around and wasting however much time if
>>>>>a repair install can fix this for you.
>>>>>
>>>>>(*If* you can do a repair install with whatever media the
>>>>>PC came with.....not a "clean install", or a "factory
>>>>>restore".)
>>>>
>>>> You are right. I should have done that a long time ago.
>>>> For some
>>>> reason I have no restore points. This is not a store
>>>> bought system. It came in pieces one at a time by UPS. I
>>>> need to get off my butt and crawl back under that desk
>>>> and yank that sicker out of that hole next to the others
>>>> that work fine. I will most likely do it this weekend
>>>> when I actually have more than a few minutes in a row.
>>>> Actually I should just move my newsreader to another box
>>>> and let this old beast collect dust like any normal
>>>> system on it's vintage.
>>>>
>>>> I actually have never done a repair install on Win7. I
>>>> will end up
>>>> replacing the drive with a clone from a month ago or so.
>>>
>>>I've done a few repair installs on XP, and the one I did
>>>over the weekend on my sons PC to fix one issue that was
>>>causing explorer.exe not to start at bootup, nor be able to
>>>run it manually.
>>>
>>>In addition to 'fixing' that problem, it also fixed some
>>>issue he was having with ULead Videostudio that started a
>>>few weeks ago where it wouldn't even run, and fixed a
>>>problem where half the mpeg videos he played had no sound.
>>>(Both of those went back to normal after the repair install
>>>only, I didn't reinstall ULead or do anything with codecs,
>>>or video drivers, or anything else.)
>>>
>>>I understand the need to figure our what's wrong, to know
>>>'why' whatever happened, happened, but you need to pick
>>>your battles.
>>>
>>>
>> So what caused your problems? How does one go about
>> discovering this
>> in the process of a repair install?
>
>Not knowing what happened is a downfall, but, my main concern
>was that this wasn't spyware/malware/virii related.
>
>I verified that wasn't the case prior to the repair install,
>so I did invest maybe an hour of time total prior to the
>repair install.
>
>And yes, I still don't know what the root of the problem was,
>but I know it isn't/wasn't an exploit of some type, which was
>my main concern.
>
>Now, he's just got to keep an eye on the system for other
>signs of issues that may point to a larger problem, like a
>failing HD.
>

I understand.
Overall I have had very few problems in the many years I have been
using PCs starting with 3.1. Before that I had an Atari 1040ST and ran
a local BBS using Nitelite SW designed my Paul Swanson.
http://www.bbsdocumentary.com/softwa...TBIT/NITELITE/

I think the whole program was written in Atari BASIC.

If I remember it was back in the early '80s.

I remember paying somewhere around $500 for a single sided single
density converted to DSDD 5 1/4 disk drive x 2 and an ATR 8000.

Al.

On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:33:36 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
<> wrote:

>On 1/20/2012, Allen Drake posted:
>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 11:39:18 -0800, Gene E. Bloch
>> <> wrote:
>
>>> On 1/17/2012, Allen Drake posted:
>>>> I actually have never done a repair install on Win7. I will end up
>>>> replacing the drive with a clone from a month ago or so.
>>>
>>> If the system is going into mothballs anyway, that gives you a great
>>> opportunity to experiment with the repair install with no fear of the
>>> consequences.
>> Very true. I always try to clone me drive before attempting anything
>> these days. Many times I have to shuffler around all the clones of my
>> systems and get rid of redundant drives. I have burned myself on
>> several occasions if I remember correctly but not in some time.
>
>I've mentioned this somewhere on Usenet recently, but maybe not this
>NG.
>
>I keep a spreadsheet with a list of all the external drives in the
>house and what is backed up on them[1]. It helps, but not completely,
>because even with the spreadsheet it's confusing. It's also become
>clear to me that my bookeeping is not all that accurate or timely :-)
>
>[1] Some of the drives are for old computers no longer in use, but I'm
>a packrat ^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h historian.

Ya, I am the same. A pack rat/hoarder of some sort( Packhorder). I
still have an Atari 128. A PC I fired up a week or so back that still
has a working Windows 95 OS and I still haven't hit the bottom of the
pile. I have a box of 10Gig drives under a bench not to mention my
basement and garage. Please don't mention my room upstairs in my
garage.

On Tue, 17 Jan 2012 09:15:03 -0500, "Peter Foldes" <>
wrote:

>"Allen Drake" <> wrote in message
>news:...
>>
>> I am wondering if I can replace this application with one from
>> another Win7 system. When I try to access Event Viewer(MMC.exe) will
>> not run and may be corrupt.
>>
>> I am convinced that MS Windows update has once again screwed up
>> another system. Ya. I know all you guys that say it just ain't gonna
>> happen and I shouldn't blame MS. It will take a lot of convincing
>
>Allen
>
>Try *** eventvwr.msc*** instead of the mmc.exe extension and then what happens ???
>
>JS

Ok, I entered eventvwr.msc at the run prompt and get the exact thing
that shows up in the event viewer when I run MMC.exe