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      04-19-2011
Well like Cooley said no AV catches everything, I use MSE in conjuction with Super-Anti Spyware, malware Bytes, and Spyware Blaster hidden behind a Router.
my Machines since I started using a computer in 1993 have only been attacked no maore than 5 times and never been infected because of the various programs I have either ran in the past or am currently running. In the Early days I was a Norton user. I have also used Kaspersky and am using Avria on the machine I have hooked up to my 42 inch LCD. I have also used ESET Nod 32 in the past, they all performed as advertised. I am totally happy with MSE until or should it let me down until then I will use it and recommend it. Do not hate a product because of the maker base your dislike of the product on its performance.
 
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      04-19-2011
If you install a lot of things you download from the internet, if you visit questionable sites (porn, warez, etc), if you click on links in suspicious emails, and if you ignore warnings like "this type of file may contain harmful or malicious code ... proceed yes or no", or you don't update your anti-virus regularly (if this is a problem then just set it to automatic)
... well then you are more likely to become infected no matter what AV you run.

Most people who get infected ignored warnings and installed software they shouldn't, so they need to take some responsibility and be a little more proactive. Your AV should be your second line of defense, your head needs to be the first!
 
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      04-19-2011
" Your AV should be your second line of defense, your head needs to be the first!"

That waa certainly well said!. With the constant barrage of newly wrtten viruses, it is yet to invent a 100% anti virus program.

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      04-20-2011
MSE, like ESET, has their eyes on SIW for some reason. I installed a VM and used MSE 2.0 for it (ESET's EULA doesn't allow 2 of the same key at the same time), I installed SIW on it, MSE flagged it as bad.

OpenCandy, although self-claimed to be safe, is catching the eyes of AV's, MSE included. Unfortunately, SIW has this code in their software, I chose to ignore it at first, but when more than one AV throws the red flag, it's time to pay attention.

As soon as I opened SIW, MSE threw that red flag "potential threat found", then a couple of seconds later, threw another one offering to "Clean Computer", I let it, and it reported to have done so.

Hopefully MSE has improved since I last used it, over 50% of all home users are going the free route over the paid. There could be a couple of different factors behind this, first the economy (the "recession" that never ended), secondly, some users refuses to pay for an AV/IS suite, even if the user could afford it (I used to be in this group).

MSE is the only free security solution that doesn't have a paid counterpart, meaning that there's no reason for MS not to go for eradication, rather than containing the viruses/malware (through quarantine in a folder). All (or most) of the others, has many features "locked", that you can unlock with a paid key. Kind of like many "crapware" apps that's bundled with new computers, you can use a few limited features, but have to pay for the "premium" version of the software.

I do agree with those above, the biggest threat to a computer is the one at the keyboard, there's absolutely no doubt about that. Safe computing should be learned & practiced by all, this alone would greatly reduce the number of infections.

The only 100% way not to get infected, this is free also, is not to press the power button. I know of no other way.

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      04-20-2011
Most of those are false positives. When programs do things that most programs don't but many viruses do then the heuristics protection may flag them as bad even though they are perfectly legitimate applications.

I have no concerns whatsoever with running SIW, it's not a virus (that's not to say that someone can't modify the exe and put a copy on their site but if you get it from a legitimate website then it's fine)

I never heard if Open Candy but my parents warning of "never take candy from strangers" would seem to apply.

As for cleaner apps, yeah I would be suspicious. I use CCleaner and TuneUp Utilities because I know they are safe.

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      04-20-2011
I'm not positive about how Open Candy is related to SIW. I do know I have another application that has a relation to Open Candy. This relationship is only during installation. I read somewhere that the application uses Open Candy to install. Even though my AV was flagging Open Candy as a virus, I discovered later that Open Candy is a form of ad-ware that you may have a choice not to install with the application.
 
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      04-20-2011
That's what I read about Open Candy, it's sort of an adware thing. I did read an article about it, it confirmed this.
http://www.opencandy.com/faqs/#false-adware


The times that I saw the red flag, there was a warning about an IP address (or URL) that I was going to. I still use SIW, although it's not perfect either, it reports that I run DirectX 9, when I'm running DirectX 11. This, I verified by typing "dxdiag" into the Start Menu, and viewing the info.

It could be that the AV is interfering with SIW. It also interferes with the installation of Unlocker.

Still, the fact that MSE is intercepting something, is signs that it's doing it's job. Most AV's have a false positive every now & then. MSE has a large following too, this will make for an even more powerful solution as time passes, and more bad code is discovered.

More than likely, if it weren't for that very nasty incident that happened to me, I'd still be running MSE. I still do run part of the app in Windows Defender, it does a quick auto scan nightly.

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      12-23-2011
I currently use MSE but have tried many free and paid AV's previously. As has been said, none of them can catch everything so for me the important thing
is to have have something else as well. I use malwarebytes and superantispyware and scan all my pc's on a regular basis.
 
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