[Nibiru2012]

Originally Posted by davehc

I agree. I was really thinking in terms of emphatic statements, as I quoted. They do come from time to time. Mistakes can actually be beneficial, as they inevitably lead to following posts correcting the mistakes and - as you say.

I was told once by a colleague in the building materials trade that if you don't make any mistakes, then you're not doing anything.

Everyone makes mistakes from time to time.

Ignorance of a fact or something simply means you don't know about the form, function, application or whatever.

Stupidity simply means you know better but do it anyway.

[draceena]

I agree that specific errors should be corrected (like in the examples provided) but when it comes to areas where it's a matter of preferance, it definately gets cloudy.

For example: I am not a big fan of iTunes, but I do use it and have no issues with it tweaked as I have it (I uninstall Bonjour and a few other pieces that lighten it and don't break anything) but if a person comes on the forum saying they have issues, the resounding cry is to dump it (much like the Symantic threads) rather than see if "tweaking" it may solve the issue.

In the end, I think it'll always be this way, burn me once and yes I may be in the same boat where the resounding cry is to uninstall and never use again.

[TorrentG]

Originally Posted by Nibiru2012

I have yet to see a post with those so-called AV initiated BSODs being caused by ANY product from ESET or G DATA.

It happens often.

You've been making statements as this or very similar. Every time I post links of examples from the same very day showing a/v errors specifically showing the statements to be irrefutable untrue.

Of course you haven't seen a post like that. You don't do any bsod analysis and see the volumes of interesting things I and others do.

[Core]

Originally Posted by draceena

I am not a big fan of iTunes, but I do use it and have no issues with it tweaked as I have it (I uninstall Bonjour and a few other pieces that lighten it and don't break anything) but if a person comes on the forum saying they have issues, the resounding cry is to dump it (much like the Symantic threads) rather than see if "tweaking" it may solve the issue.

Hsving uninstalled Bonjour, can you still use it to share libraries wirelessly and sync your iPod? I hate Bonjour, and I would like to get rid of it, but the synchronization with my iPod is great, as is sharing of the library with other computers, and I'd prefer not to lose that.

Originally Posted by TorrentG

It happens often.

You've been making statements as this or very similar. Every time I post links of examples from the same very day showing a/v errors specifically showing the statements to be irrefutable untrue.

Of course you haven't seen a post like that. You don't do any bsod analysis and see the volumes of interesting things I and others do.

I've used Norton/Symantec AV products for a decade, on and off, and have been for the most part very happy with it. Some editions have been better than others, but I've never been hit with a BSOD because of one. This is not because of my 1337 skillz, primarily just dumb luck. But I have been using a lot of different kinds of hardware and software over the years, and they've never collided with Symantec products, so for me the experience has been good.

I would keep in mind that for every machine that BSODs with a Symantec or any other AV product, there are a lot of machines that don't. If I were a mechanic who worked on broken down Toyotas all day, would it be prudent to claim that all Toyotas are pieces of junk? (Let's ignore that recent 740,000 Toyota recall for the purpose of this analogy...) I don't think it would be.

But, just as you'd never recommend Symantec Antivirus to anyone, I wouldn't want someone using MSE as their AV solution on my conscience. This is just one of those opinion vs. opinion situations.

[TorrentG]

Originally Posted by Core

Hsving uninstalled Bonjour, can you still use it to share libraries wirelessly and sync your iPod? I hate Bonjour, and I would like to get rid of it, but the synchronization with my iPod is great, as is sharing of the library with other computers, and I'd prefer not to lose that.

I've used Norton/Symantec AV products for a decade, on and off, and have been for the most part very happy with it. Some editions have been better than others, but I've never been hit with a BSOD because of one. This is not because of my 1337 skillz, primarily just dumb luck. But I have been using a lot of different kinds of hardware and software over the years, and they've never collided with Symantec products, so for me the experience has been good.

I would keep in mind that for every machine that BSODs with a Symantec or any other AV product, there are a lot of machines that don't. If I were a mechanic who worked on broken down Toyotas all day, would it be prudent to claim that all Toyotas are pieces of junk? (Let's ignore that recent 740,000 Toyota recall for the purpose of this analogy...) I don't think it would be.

But, just as you'd never recommend Symantec Antivirus to anyone, I wouldn't want someone using MSE as their AV solution on my conscience. This is just one of those opinion vs. opinion situations.

Not really opinion vs opinion. Proven fact that MSE absolutely never causes bsods while Norton does all of the time and it's the king of junk. (I just did one where it's causing 0x124 hardware errors lol haha!)

That's not opinion at all. It's proven. Yes, I repeat that in case it's not understood.

I work on pcs all day. Norton is a major issue. MSE saves them from trouble. That's much better than any analogy.

[Core]

Well, God has spoken.

[draceena]

Unfortunately I cannot say if uninstalling Bonjour causes sync issues as I don't actually have an iPod (I have a Creative Zen Stone and it has no syncing functions so I have to transfer my music manually)

[catilley1092]

Speaking of Bonjour, my new printer installs it automatically, I was going to uninstall it, but I'm afraid if I do, then I'll have to reinstall it. It works perfectly, it'll install on Windows (XP & up), 32 & 64 bit, Mac and Linux (with some trickery).

What I don't understand is, I select Windows 7 as the system, still it installs Bonjour, a Mac (or Apple) product.

But as far as the opinions expressed on this forum goes, there's a lot of good advice freely given here, along with some not so good. I would say that if the member who presents bad advice is doing it unknowingly, a kind correction is in order, being careful not to be too harsh in doing so. After all, we all make mistakes, what's important is learning from them.

However, there are some, no matter what, their opinions are cast in stone, and the only thing to do is flat out present the facts, and as long as no harm is being done, let it go. But if allowing the post(s) to remain may cause damage to other members (and visitors) computers, then the post(s) should be removed at once, and if warranted, the member should be banned from further posting.

Fortunately, we don't have any active members here who posts like this. But I do remember a post where a new member issued a command to execute, and in doing so, it would wipe your system out. C_C caught it, left it there with a large warning not to use it, rather than removing it, and obviously banned the member. In such a case, action must be swift, and as far as the offending member goes, get whoever it is the hell out of here, without further delay.

Cat

[davehc]

I've thanked you Cat -. Back on thread!