Clean install with 64-bit Windows 7 OEM/upgrade?

Hi!

Can 64-bit Windows 7 OEM and upgrade DVDs be used for clean
installations or does a previous XP/Vista source need to be in the drive
(disc or HDD)?

Thank you in advance.
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On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 05:36:11 -0700, Ant <> wrote:

>Can 64-bit Windows 7 OEM and upgrade DVDs be used for clean
>installations

Yes.

>or does a previous XP/Vista source need to be in the drive
>(disc or HDD)?

No.

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Char Jackson

On 10/08/2011 13:36, Ant wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Can 64-bit Windows 7 OEM and upgrade DVDs be used for clean
> installations or does a previous XP/Vista source need to be in the drive
> (disc or HDD)?
>
> Thank you in advance.

Yes, as long as you have a valid product key.
You have to use this 'trick' with an upgrade DVD:
http://www.winsupersite.com/article/...-upgrade-media

There's even a youtube video which takes you through it step by step:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZj99tRmmp8

HTH
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Rob wrote:
> On 10/08/2011 13:36, Ant wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> Can 64-bit Windows 7 OEM and upgrade DVDs be used for clean
>> installations or does a previous XP/Vista source need to be in the
>> drive (disc or HDD)?
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>
> Yes, as long as you have a valid product key. You have to use this
> 'trick' with an upgrade DVD:
> http://www.winsupersite.com/article/...-upgrade-media
>
>
> There's even a youtube video which takes you through it step by step:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZj99tRmmp8

I used "Method #3: The good old "double install" method" almost two
years ago, when Windows 7 was first released. I never have had any trouble
activating or verifying my system.

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On 8/10/2011 6:03 AM PT, Char Jackson typed:

>> Can 64-bit Windows 7 OEM and upgrade DVDs be used for clean
>> installations
>
> Yes.
>
>> or does a previous XP/Vista source need to be in the drive
>> (disc or HDD)?
>
> No.

Ah, then what's the point of having retail and upgrade discs?
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Ant <> écrivait news:ufSdnU43tq8YB9
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> On 8/10/2011 6:03 AM PT, Char Jackson typed:
>
>>> Can 64-bit Windows 7 OEM and upgrade DVDs be used for clean
>>> installations
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> or does a previous XP/Vista source need to be in the drive
>>> (disc or HDD)?
>>
>> No.
>
> Ah, then what's the point of having retail and upgrade discs?

Full Retail and Retail upgrade DVDs are transferrable, you can move them to
another PC. OEM are legally tied to the first computer on which they're
installed. If they're branded OEM DVDs they might even not work on a
different brand PC.

As far as I know OEM upgrades are all branded.

By the way Retail upgrades and generic OEM are about the same price.

On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 07:49:41 -0700, Ant <> wrote:

>On 8/10/2011 6:03 AM PT, Char Jackson typed:
>
>>> Can 64-bit Windows 7 OEM and upgrade DVDs be used for clean
>>> installations
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> or does a previous XP/Vista source need to be in the drive
>>> (disc or HDD)?
>>
>> No.
>
>Ah, then what's the point of having retail and upgrade discs?

Microsoft has a certain business model in which they've spelled out
how they want their products used, specifically Retail versus Upgrade
versions. It's been the subject of much debate, but I don't think
anyone knows why they continue to allow the capability to use an
Upgrade version as if it were a Retail version. Certainly, if they
wanted to close the hole, they could easily do so.

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In message <XnF9F3D92F15CE2Bdoumdomainnet@88.198.244.100>, Dominique
<> writes:
>Ant <> écrivait news:ufSdnU43tq8YB9
>_:
>
>> On 8/10/2011 6:03 AM PT, Char Jackson typed:
>>
>>>> Can 64-bit Windows 7 OEM and upgrade DVDs be used for clean
>>>> installations
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>> or does a previous XP/Vista source need to be in the drive
>>>> (disc or HDD)?
>>>
>>> No.
>>
>> Ah, then what's the point of having retail and upgrade discs?
>
>Full Retail and Retail upgrade DVDs are transferrable, you can move them to
>another PC. OEM are legally tied to the first computer on which they're
>installed. If they're branded OEM DVDs they might even not work on a
>different brand PC.
>
>As far as I know OEM upgrades are all branded.
>
>By the way Retail upgrades and generic OEM are about the same price.

You haven't answered Ant's question though - why retail full and retail
upgrade discs both exist. (Not Char's original question, that _did_ use
"OEM".)
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> Microsoft has a certain business model in which they've spelled out
> how they want their products used, specifically Retail versus Upgrade
> versions. It's been the subject of much debate, but I don't think
> anyone knows why they continue to allow the capability to use an
> Upgrade version as if it were a Retail version. Certainly, if they
> wanted to close the hole, they could easily do so.
>

My two cents,

I read long time ago that the only reason for them to leave the hole is
to "spoil" the geeks and techies for whom usually wouldn't want to
purchase the full retail upgrade.

The revenue loss from leaving the hole is minimum to the point where the
company won't even notice since the major revenue stream is the OEM sales.

One can also consider that it's a promotion or marketing cost since the
*positive* opinions from geeks and techies are much more important than
the few bucks they would otherwise have contributed.

On 8/11/2011 2:51 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 07:49:41 -0700, Ant<> wrote:
>
>> On 8/10/2011 6:03 AM PT, Char Jackson typed:
>>
>>>> Can 64-bit Windows 7 OEM and upgrade DVDs be used for clean
>>>> installations
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>> or does a previous XP/Vista source need to be in the drive
>>>> (disc or HDD)?
>>>
>>> No.
>>
>> Ah, then what's the point of having retail and upgrade discs?
>
> Microsoft has a certain business model in which they've spelled out
> how they want their products used, specifically Retail versus Upgrade
> versions. It's been the subject of much debate, but I don't think
> anyone knows why they continue to allow the capability to use an
> Upgrade version as if it were a Retail version. Certainly, if they
> wanted to close the hole, they could easily do so.
>

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> In message <XnF9F3D92F15CE2Bdoumdomainnet@88.198.244.100>, Dominique
> <> writes:
>>Ant <> écrivait news:ufSdnU43tq8YB9
>>_:
>>
>>> On 8/10/2011 6:03 AM PT, Char Jackson typed:
>>>
>>>>> Can 64-bit Windows 7 OEM and upgrade DVDs be used for clean
>>>>> installations
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>>> or does a previous XP/Vista source need to be in the drive
>>>>> (disc or HDD)?
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>
>>> Ah, then what's the point of having retail and upgrade discs?
>>
>>Full Retail and Retail upgrade DVDs are transferrable, you can move them
to
>>another PC. OEM are legally tied to the first computer on which they're
>>installed. If they're branded OEM DVDs they might even not work on a
>>different brand PC.
>>
>>As far as I know OEM upgrades are all branded.
>>
>>By the way Retail upgrades and generic OEM are about the same price.
>
> You haven't answered Ant's question though - why retail full and retail
> upgrade discs both exist. (Not Char's original question, that _did_ use
> "OEM".)

OK, I don't know why they both exist since MS allows to do a clean
installation with a Retail upgrade without a previous version.

Is there someone here who knows the answer?