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      11-13-2010
Since IP numbers are not set in stone what to prevent my neighbor from downloading copyrighted stuff and then for his IP to be assigend to me the week after and I end up in jail for nothing. Same as already mentioned, an unprotected network being used would punish the innocent for something they did not do. Then there is IP spoofing,and again innocent people get targeted....there are just way too many "what if's" and "maybe's" that all the litigation thats happened already should have been thrown out of court.
 
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      11-13-2010
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Since IP numbers are not set in stone what to prevent my neighbor from downloading copyrighted stuff and then for his IP to be assigend to me the week after and I end up in jail for nothing. Same as already mentioned, an unprotected network being used would punish the innocent for something they did not do. Then there is IP spoofing,and again innocent people get targeted....there are just way too many "what if's" and "maybe's" that all the litigation thats happened already should have been thrown out of court.
I would like to think that this is all based on evidence found on within a PC. Evidence found because of leads that were pointing to a specific IP address.
 
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      11-13-2010
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I would like to think that this is all based on evidence found on within a PC. Evidence found because of leads that were pointing to a specific IP address.
In the Jammie Thomas case, of which you've undoubtedly heard - the mother who has to pay $222,000 for downloading 24 songs - no such evidence was ever presented, nor was her hard drive or its contents ever part of the evidence. The jurors have also been quoted as saying they didn't believe any "spoofing" was possible (clearly a panel of networking specialists) and that they "wanted to send a message."

This is what you get in civil court.
 
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      11-13-2010
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Since IP numbers are not set in stone what to prevent my neighbor from downloading copyrighted stuff and then for his IP to be assigend to me the week after and I end up in jail for nothing.
Yes, but the ISP does know what IP what assigned to which client at what time.
I remember reading something like this in the HADOPI docs.
 
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Yes, but the ISP does know what IP what assigned to which client at what time.
I remember reading something like this in the HADOPI docs.
Only the external IP, which is assigned to the ISP's customer. In most households, more than one person uses the same connection. I can see an unprotected wireless Linksys router offering wifi in my neighborhood right now. I could connect to it and download a bunch of shit, and as far as his ISP is aware it's he who's doing the downloading. They only see the external IP they've assigned to their customer; his router provides machines connected to it with internal IPs via DHCP and serves clients with NAT.

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      11-14-2010
I have a different thinking. All that is transmitted is a bunch of 0s and 1s. What I think some bright person should do is show that getting a few blocks of information here and there is no proof at all of what is being sent, it all depends how it is put together. There should be a way to create several files that would have a few blocks in common but be totally different files.

Or just move next to a McDonald's or Dennys and use their free wi-fi
 
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      11-14-2010
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Or just move next to a McDonald's or Dennys and use their free wi-fi
The Public House next door but one to me has "Free Wi-Fi" so as long as I disconnect my Hardwire and plug in my Wireless Dongle, I'm laughing! And if they're not switched on I'll just link into the BT Modem I can pick up, whoever that belongs to. That's on 24/7. I've asked around but can't locate the owner.
 
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      11-14-2010
It's a trap LOL
 
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      11-14-2010
I've never used the wifi at a place like Mickey D's (the only public place was the campus network), but I wonder if they block all ports but 80/8080.
 
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