Acronis True Image 2012?

Hi, folks! I've got TI Home 2011, and you've seen me posting some of
my beefs with it. It does the basic job, but it's confusing and
annoying to use.

Here's the $20 question: Is TI 2012 enough better to make it worth
spending on the upgrade? For one thing, is it faster? For another,
is the user interface better? Could any of you who have upgraded
from 2011 to 2012 share whether you think it was a good move or not,
and why? $20 for the upgrade isn't that much to spend, these days,
but I'd rather not go through the upgrade exercise without some
reason to believe it will actually be better. We all know by now
that "it's newer, so it must be better" is a fallacy.


--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:45:30 -0500, Stan Brown
<> wrote:

>Hi, folks! I've got TI Home 2011, and you've seen me posting some of
>my beefs with it. It does the basic job, but it's confusing and
>annoying to use.
>
>Here's the $20 question: Is TI 2012 enough better to make it worth
>spending on the upgrade? For one thing, is it faster? For another,
>is the user interface better? Could any of you who have upgraded
>from 2011 to 2012 share whether you think it was a good move or not,
>and why? $20 for the upgrade isn't that much to spend, these days,
>but I'd rather not go through the upgrade exercise without some
>reason to believe it will actually be better. We all know by now
>that "it's newer, so it must be better" is a fallacy.

stay clear of it. i have TI2011 and purchased the 20 buck upgrade. i
have been using the program since TI2008 and it has saved my life two
times. im always a sucker for upgrades and back up programs are worth
it IMHO. so i install it and reboot. windows stays stuck on the
"starting windows" screen with no disk activity. i reboot into safe
mode and it stops half way through and no disk activity. i rebooted
once more and same thing. being the smart dude that I am, i created a
system restore point before the install. the only way i could get the
computer to boot was to go back in time before the install. im ready
to say screw it and just keep ti2011 which worked fine. i sent
acronis a support email on saturday and have not heard back yet.
perhaps they are on christmas break. i didnt think they celebrated
christmas in india. :>) if i dont hear back from them after the
first, ill dispute my charge with bank of amerika and just keep 2011.

BTW...if anyone has a solution, please post it. i will do anything
except uninstall the previous version, since i have upgraded the
program since 2008 and might have to go back to that point and upgrade
it 3 times to get it to work again. not gonna happen.

On 12/29/2011 6:58 AM, MetalStorm© wrote:
> BTW...if anyone has a solution, please post it. i will do anything
> except uninstall the previous version, since i have upgraded the
> program since 2008 and might have to go back to that point and upgrade
> it 3 times to get it to work again. not gonna happen.

Sorry I don't have a solution to your problem. But go ahead and
uninstall ATI 2011 and then installed ATI 2012. When you enter your
product key in ATI 2012 it will see it as an upgrade and then ask you
for the product key from your previous version. This is what happened
when I installed ATI 2011 on a new PC that I built recently and I don't
see why ATI 2012 would be any different.


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
Thunderbird 9.0.1
Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:17:45 AM

"Roy Smith" <> wrote in message
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> On 12/29/2011 6:58 AM, MetalStorm© wrote:
>> BTW...if anyone has a solution, please post it. i will do anything
>> except uninstall the previous version, since i have upgraded the
>> program since 2008 and might have to go back to that point and upgrade
>> it 3 times to get it to work again. not gonna happen.
>
> Sorry I don't have a solution to your problem. But go ahead and
> uninstall ATI 2011 and then installed ATI 2012. When you enter your
> product key in ATI 2012 it will see it as an upgrade and then ask you
> for the product key from your previous version. This is what happened
> when I installed ATI 2011 on a new PC that I built recently and I don't
> see why ATI 2012 would be any different.
>
>
> --


In response to your Q as to whether it's worth it to upgrade you might read
what some purchasers from Newegg of the 2012 version wrote. Of the 5 reviews
most don't appear happy with it. For myself, I've got the 2011 version. I
think I'll live with it for another year.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832200031

--
Jan Alter

On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:45:30 -0500, Stan Brown
<> wrote:

>Hi, folks! I've got TI Home 2011, and you've seen me posting some of
>my beefs with it. It does the basic job, but it's confusing and
>annoying to use.
>
>Here's the $20 question: Is TI 2012 enough better to make it worth
>spending on the upgrade? For one thing, is it faster? For another,
>is the user interface better? Could any of you who have upgraded
>from 2011 to 2012 share whether you think it was a good move or not,
>and why? $20 for the upgrade isn't that much to spend, these days,
>but I'd rather not go through the upgrade exercise without some
>reason to believe it will actually be better. We all know by now
>that "it's newer, so it must be better" is a fallacy.

Until recently, I had 2010, 2011, and 2012 installed on 3 systems
here. During the time I had access to all three, I preferred the 2010
interface over the other two. Now that I've upgraded everything to
2012 I have to say the interface is fine with me. I don't find it
confusing or limiting. As for speed, they're all the same.

Having said all that, my opinion is that 2012 is not a significant
upgrade from 2011. The interface is extremely similar and the features
and capabilities seem to be identical. I mostly think the 2012 version
is targeted to new users rather than 2011 users.

--

Char Jackson

On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:58:00 -0500, MetalStorm© <MetalStorm©> wrote:

>On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:45:30 -0500, Stan Brown
><> wrote:
>
>>Hi, folks! I've got TI Home 2011, and you've seen me posting some of
>>my beefs with it. It does the basic job, but it's confusing and
>>annoying to use.
>>
>>Here's the $20 question: Is TI 2012 enough better to make it worth
>>spending on the upgrade? For one thing, is it faster? For another,
>>is the user interface better? Could any of you who have upgraded
>>from 2011 to 2012 share whether you think it was a good move or not,
>>and why? $20 for the upgrade isn't that much to spend, these days,
>>but I'd rather not go through the upgrade exercise without some
>>reason to believe it will actually be better. We all know by now
>>that "it's newer, so it must be better" is a fallacy.
>
>stay clear of it. i have TI2011 and purchased the 20 buck upgrade. i
>have been using the program since TI2008 and it has saved my life two
>times. im always a sucker for upgrades and back up programs are worth
>it IMHO. so i install it and reboot. windows stays stuck on the
>"starting windows" screen with no disk activity. i reboot into safe
>mode and it stops half way through and no disk activity. i rebooted
>once more and same thing. being the smart dude that I am, i created a
>system restore point before the install. the only way i could get the
>computer to boot was to go back in time before the install. im ready
>to say screw it and just keep ti2011 which worked fine. i sent
>acronis a support email on saturday and have not heard back yet.
>perhaps they are on christmas break. i didnt think they celebrated
>christmas in india. :>) if i dont hear back from them after the
>first, ill dispute my charge with bank of amerika and just keep 2011.
>
>BTW...if anyone has a solution, please post it. i will do anything
>except uninstall the previous version, since i have upgraded the
>program since 2008 and might have to go back to that point and upgrade
>it 3 times to get it to work again. not gonna happen.

Please excuse my ignorance but what is all the buzz about this app in
the first place. I have been using the cloning SW that comes with each
drive and have never seen a need to purchase anything. What could be
different about cloning a HDD that I would want to buy and then
upgrade to do such a simple task?

Al.

On 12/29/2011 3:46 PM, Allen Drake wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:58:00 -0500, MetalStorm©<MetalStorm©> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:45:30 -0500, Stan Brown
>> <> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, folks! I've got TI Home 2011, and you've seen me posting some of
>>> my beefs with it. It does the basic job, but it's confusing and
>>> annoying to use.
>>>
>>> Here's the $20 question: Is TI 2012 enough better to make it worth
>>> spending on the upgrade? For one thing, is it faster? For another,
>>> is the user interface better? Could any of you who have upgraded
>> >from 2011 to 2012 share whether you think it was a good move or not,
>>> and why? $20 for the upgrade isn't that much to spend, these days,
>>> but I'd rather not go through the upgrade exercise without some
>>> reason to believe it will actually be better. We all know by now
>>> that "it's newer, so it must be better" is a fallacy.
>>
>> stay clear of it. i have TI2011 and purchased the 20 buck upgrade. i
>> have been using the program since TI2008 and it has saved my life two
>> times. im always a sucker for upgrades and back up programs are worth
>> it IMHO. so i install it and reboot. windows stays stuck on the
>> "starting windows" screen with no disk activity. i reboot into safe
>> mode and it stops half way through and no disk activity. i rebooted
>> once more and same thing. being the smart dude that I am, i created a
>> system restore point before the install. the only way i could get the
>> computer to boot was to go back in time before the install. im ready
>> to say screw it and just keep ti2011 which worked fine. i sent
>> acronis a support email on saturday and have not heard back yet.
>> perhaps they are on christmas break. i didnt think they celebrated
>> christmas in india. :>) if i dont hear back from them after the
>> first, ill dispute my charge with bank of amerika and just keep 2011.
>>
>> BTW...if anyone has a solution, please post it. i will do anything
>> except uninstall the previous version, since i have upgraded the
>> program since 2008 and might have to go back to that point and upgrade
>> it 3 times to get it to work again. not gonna happen.
>
> Please excuse my ignorance but what is all the buzz about this app in
> the first place. I have been using the cloning SW that comes with each
> drive and have never seen a need to purchase anything. What could be
> different about cloning a HDD that I would want to buy and then
> upgrade to do such a simple task?
>
> Al.

A lot of people like buying one huge external (sometimes an internal)
drive and then make multiple backup copies to it. Although you need an
extra step to restore, while cloning does not. And I have learned you
should never trust a backup without restoring to test it (mostly thanks
to Acronis failures). Cloning does the same thing in half the time. So
yes, I am with you. Cloning is far more reliable and does a far better
job in far less time to boot.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v9.0
Centrino Core2 Duo 2GHz - 1.5GB - Windows 7

"BillW50" <> wrote in message
news:jdinlv$k36$...
> On 12/29/2011 3:46 PM, Allen Drake wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:58:00 -0500, MetalStorm©<MetalStorm©> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:45:30 -0500, Stan Brown
>>> <> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, folks! I've got TI Home 2011, and you've seen me posting some of
>>>> my beefs with it. It does the basic job, but it's confusing and
>>>> annoying to use.
>>>>
>>>> Here's the $20 question: Is TI 2012 enough better to make it worth
>>>> spending on the upgrade? For one thing, is it faster? For another,
>>>> is the user interface better? Could any of you who have upgraded
>>> >from 2011 to 2012 share whether you think it was a good move or not,
>>>> and why? $20 for the upgrade isn't that much to spend, these days,
>>>> but I'd rather not go through the upgrade exercise without some
>>>> reason to believe it will actually be better. We all know by now
>>>> that "it's newer, so it must be better" is a fallacy.
>>>
>>> stay clear of it. i have TI2011 and purchased the 20 buck upgrade. i
>>> have been using the program since TI2008 and it has saved my life two
>>> times. im always a sucker for upgrades and back up programs are worth
>>> it IMHO. so i install it and reboot. windows stays stuck on the
>>> "starting windows" screen with no disk activity. i reboot into safe
>>> mode and it stops half way through and no disk activity. i rebooted
>>> once more and same thing. being the smart dude that I am, i created a
>>> system restore point before the install. the only way i could get the
>>> computer to boot was to go back in time before the install. im ready
>>> to say screw it and just keep ti2011 which worked fine. i sent
>>> acronis a support email on saturday and have not heard back yet.
>>> perhaps they are on christmas break. i didnt think they celebrated
>>> christmas in india. :>) if i dont hear back from them after the
>>> first, ill dispute my charge with bank of amerika and just keep 2011.
>>>
>>> BTW...if anyone has a solution, please post it. i will do anything
>>> except uninstall the previous version, since i have upgraded the
>>> program since 2008 and might have to go back to that point and upgrade
>>> it 3 times to get it to work again. not gonna happen.
>>
>> Please excuse my ignorance but what is all the buzz about this app in
>> the first place. I have been using the cloning SW that comes with each
>> drive and have never seen a need to purchase anything. What could be
>> different about cloning a HDD that I would want to buy and then
>> upgrade to do such a simple task?
>>
>> Al.
>
> A lot of people like buying one huge external (sometimes an internal)
> drive and then make multiple backup copies to it. Although you need an
> extra step to restore, while cloning does not. And I have learned you
> should never trust a backup without restoring to test it (mostly thanks to
> Acronis failures). Cloning does the same thing in half the time. So yes, I
> am with you. Cloning is far more reliable and does a far better job in far
> less time to boot.



I've had a few Acronis image failures myself since starting to use their
software with version 8, about six years ago and I was annoyingly
disappointed. However, I have been thankful many more times to have been
saved when the OS crashed and I could not fix it and was able to restore the
computer with an Acronis image. But further, I find being able to make full
images and then add differential backups a simple and time saving feature of
the program on a regular day to day backup regimen.
Acronis has a feature (Pluspack) to allow one to restore an image of
the computer to a different computer with different hardware, including a
different mb.That means one wouldn't have to reinstall all their software
programs with a new build. Though I've never had to do that I've tried it
just to see if it works and I was gratified that it did after the
installation of an image to a completely new computer with different
hardware. And though I haven't found their automatic backup scheduling
feature to my needs I think a lot of folks do. I set the scheduling up for
my mother-in-law a few months ago and she's delighted that every Thursday at
6 pm the computer will save an incremental backup to her eternal drive
without her having to do anything.
It's great that all the major hard drive manufacturers have cloning
software. It makes moving or backing up a complete image quite painless. The
versatility that Acronis and other backup software companies provide make it
a preferable choice to me and obviously a lot of other folks than the basic
image cloners.

--
Jan Alter

On 12/29/2011 5:47 PM, Jan Alter wrote:
> "BillW50"<> wrote in message
> news:jdinlv$k36$...
>> On 12/29/2011 3:46 PM, Allen Drake wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:58:00 -0500, MetalStorm©<MetalStorm©> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:45:30 -0500, Stan Brown
>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, folks! I've got TI Home 2011, and you've seen me posting some of
>>>>> my beefs with it. It does the basic job, but it's confusing and
>>>>> annoying to use.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the $20 question: Is TI 2012 enough better to make it worth
>>>>> spending on the upgrade? For one thing, is it faster? For another,
>>>>> is the user interface better? Could any of you who have upgraded
>>>> >from 2011 to 2012 share whether you think it was a good move or not,
>>>>> and why? $20 for the upgrade isn't that much to spend, these days,
>>>>> but I'd rather not go through the upgrade exercise without some
>>>>> reason to believe it will actually be better. We all know by now
>>>>> that "it's newer, so it must be better" is a fallacy.
>>>>
>>>> stay clear of it. i have TI2011 and purchased the 20 buck upgrade. i
>>>> have been using the program since TI2008 and it has saved my life two
>>>> times. im always a sucker for upgrades and back up programs are worth
>>>> it IMHO. so i install it and reboot. windows stays stuck on the
>>>> "starting windows" screen with no disk activity. i reboot into safe
>>>> mode and it stops half way through and no disk activity. i rebooted
>>>> once more and same thing. being the smart dude that I am, i created a
>>>> system restore point before the install. the only way i could get the
>>>> computer to boot was to go back in time before the install. im ready
>>>> to say screw it and just keep ti2011 which worked fine. i sent
>>>> acronis a support email on saturday and have not heard back yet.
>>>> perhaps they are on christmas break. i didnt think they celebrated
>>>> christmas in india. :>) if i dont hear back from them after the
>>>> first, ill dispute my charge with bank of amerika and just keep 2011.
>>>>
>>>> BTW...if anyone has a solution, please post it. i will do anything
>>>> except uninstall the previous version, since i have upgraded the
>>>> program since 2008 and might have to go back to that point and upgrade
>>>> it 3 times to get it to work again. not gonna happen.
>>>
>>> Please excuse my ignorance but what is all the buzz about this app in
>>> the first place. I have been using the cloning SW that comes with each
>>> drive and have never seen a need to purchase anything. What could be
>>> different about cloning a HDD that I would want to buy and then
>>> upgrade to do such a simple task?
>>>
>>> Al.
>>
>> A lot of people like buying one huge external (sometimes an internal)
>> drive and then make multiple backup copies to it. Although you need an
>> extra step to restore, while cloning does not. And I have learned you
>> should never trust a backup without restoring to test it (mostly thanks to
>> Acronis failures). Cloning does the same thing in half the time. So yes, I
>> am with you. Cloning is far more reliable and does a far better job in far
>> less time to boot.
>
> I've had a few Acronis image failures myself since starting to use their
> software with version 8, about six years ago and I was annoyingly
> disappointed. However, I have been thankful many more times to have been
> saved when the OS crashed and I could not fix it and was able to restore the
> computer with an Acronis image. But further, I find being able to make full
> images and then add differential backups a simple and time saving feature of
> the program on a regular day to day backup regimen.

Trusting in one developer's backup program isn't a great idea in my
book. As I like to try them all. And the more you try, the more you
dislike Acronis.

> Acronis has a feature (Pluspack) to allow one to restore an image of
> the computer to a different computer with different hardware, including a
> different mb.That means one wouldn't have to reinstall all their software
> programs with a new build. Though I've never had to do that I've tried it
> just to see if it works and I was gratified that it did after the
> installation of an image to a completely new computer with different
> hardware. And though I haven't found their automatic backup scheduling
> feature to my needs I think a lot of folks do. I set the scheduling up for
> my mother-in-law a few months ago and she's delighted that every Thursday at
> 6 pm the computer will save an incremental backup to her eternal drive
> without her having to do anything.

Paragon came out with "Adaptive Restore" long before Acronis came out
with "Restore to Dissimilar Hardware". Plus Acronis charges you 50 bucks
more for that while Paragon gives it to you for free. And have you
actually used "Restore to Dissimilar Hardware" yet? As I have been
waiting and I haven't heard one success yet.

> It's great that all the major hard drive manufacturers have cloning
> software. It makes moving or backing up a complete image quite painless. The
> versatility that Acronis and other backup software companies provide make it
> a preferable choice to me and obviously a lot of other folks than the basic
> image cloners.

Yes and that is the way it should be. ;-)

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v9.0
Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 2GB - Windows XP SP3

"BillW50" <> wrote in message
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> On 12/29/2011 5:47 PM, Jan Alter wrote:
>> "BillW50"<> wrote in message
>> news:jdinlv$k36$...
>>> On 12/29/2011 3:46 PM, Allen Drake wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:58:00 -0500, MetalStorm©<MetalStorm©> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:45:30 -0500, Stan Brown
>>>>> <> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, folks! I've got TI Home 2011, and you've seen me posting some of
>>>>>> my beefs with it. It does the basic job, but it's confusing and
>>>>>> annoying to use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the $20 question: Is TI 2012 enough better to make it worth
>>>>>> spending on the upgrade? For one thing, is it faster? For another,
>>>>>> is the user interface better? Could any of you who have upgraded
>>>>> >from 2011 to 2012 share whether you think it was a good move or not,
>>>>>> and why? $20 for the upgrade isn't that much to spend, these days,
>>>>>> but I'd rather not go through the upgrade exercise without some
>>>>>> reason to believe it will actually be better. We all know by now
>>>>>> that "it's newer, so it must be better" is a fallacy.
>>>>>
>>>>> stay clear of it. i have TI2011 and purchased the 20 buck upgrade. i
>>>>> have been using the program since TI2008 and it has saved my life two
>>>>> times. im always a sucker for upgrades and back up programs are worth
>>>>> it IMHO. so i install it and reboot. windows stays stuck on the
>>>>> "starting windows" screen with no disk activity. i reboot into safe
>>>>> mode and it stops half way through and no disk activity. i rebooted
>>>>> once more and same thing. being the smart dude that I am, i created a
>>>>> system restore point before the install. the only way i could get the
>>>>> computer to boot was to go back in time before the install. im ready
>>>>> to say screw it and just keep ti2011 which worked fine. i sent
>>>>> acronis a support email on saturday and have not heard back yet.
>>>>> perhaps they are on christmas break. i didnt think they celebrated
>>>>> christmas in india. :>) if i dont hear back from them after the
>>>>> first, ill dispute my charge with bank of amerika and just keep 2011.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW...if anyone has a solution, please post it. i will do anything
>>>>> except uninstall the previous version, since i have upgraded the
>>>>> program since 2008 and might have to go back to that point and upgrade
>>>>> it 3 times to get it to work again. not gonna happen.
>>>>
>>>> Please excuse my ignorance but what is all the buzz about this app
>>>> in
>>>> the first place. I have been using the cloning SW that comes with each
>>>> drive and have never seen a need to purchase anything. What could be
>>>> different about cloning a HDD that I would want to buy and then
>>>> upgrade to do such a simple task?
>>>>
>>>> Al.
>>>
>>> A lot of people like buying one huge external (sometimes an internal)
>>> drive and then make multiple backup copies to it. Although you need an
>>> extra step to restore, while cloning does not. And I have learned you
>>> should never trust a backup without restoring to test it (mostly thanks
>>> to
>>> Acronis failures). Cloning does the same thing in half the time. So yes,
>>> I
>>> am with you. Cloning is far more reliable and does a far better job in
>>> far
>>> less time to boot.
>>
>> I've had a few Acronis image failures myself since starting to use
>> their
>> software with version 8, about six years ago and I was annoyingly
>> disappointed. However, I have been thankful many more times to have been
>> saved when the OS crashed and I could not fix it and was able to restore
>> the
>> computer with an Acronis image. But further, I find being able to make
>> full
>> images and then add differential backups a simple and time saving feature
>> of
>> the program on a regular day to day backup regimen.
>
> Trusting in one developer's backup program isn't a great idea in my book.
> As I like to try them all. And the more you try, the more you dislike
> Acronis.
>
>> Acronis has a feature (Pluspack) to allow one to restore an image
>> of
>> the computer to a different computer with different hardware, including a
>> different mb.That means one wouldn't have to reinstall all their software
>> programs with a new build. Though I've never had to do that I've tried it
>> just to see if it works and I was gratified that it did after the
>> installation of an image to a completely new computer with different
>> hardware. And though I haven't found their automatic backup scheduling
>> feature to my needs I think a lot of folks do. I set the scheduling up
>> for
>> my mother-in-law a few months ago and she's delighted that every Thursday
>> at
>> 6 pm the computer will save an incremental backup to her eternal drive
>> without her having to do anything.
>
> Paragon came out with "Adaptive Restore" long before Acronis came out with
> "Restore to Dissimilar Hardware". Plus Acronis charges you 50 bucks more
> for that while Paragon gives it to you for free. And have you actually
> used "Restore to Dissimilar Hardware" yet? As I have been waiting and I
> haven't heard one success yet.
>
>> It's great that all the major hard drive manufacturers have cloning
>> software. It makes moving or backing up a complete image quite painless.
>> The
>> versatility that Acronis and other backup software companies provide make
>> it
>> a preferable choice to me and obviously a lot of other folks than the
>> basic
>> image cloners.
>
> Yes and that is the way it should be. ;-)
>


It isn't necessary for me to play 'one upsmanship' with you. The points
that I explained were my reasons for using Acronis beyond basic cloning
software. You mentioned whether or not I had tried restoring an image to
different hardware using the Acronis Plus Pack. I thought I had mentioned
that in my explanation and I said it worked.
I don't know about Paragon. I haven't used it, so I can't give you
details, but from my experience the Plus pack from Acronis does work even if
it costs money. Sometimes it's worth the money for the extra versatility.
Now you've got my interest though, and I'll probably read some about Paragon
to see if it's competitive with Acronis. So thanks for that.

--
Jan Alter