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      05-11-2011
I'm looking to upgrade all of the PCs in my house with Windows 7, especially since the IT place I work at is all Windows 7, no matter how old the machines are, I was hoping it might work for mine too. Ok here's the readout of what we have:

Dell Dimension E410
2.8ghz Pentium 4 HT, 2GB RAM, Intel 910GL 128mb, 160GB HDD

Dell Latitude D410
2.13ghz Pentium M, 2GB RAM, Intel GMA 915 128Mb, 80GB HDD

Dell Inspiron 5100
2.4ghz Pentium 4, 1GB RAM, 16mb ATI Radeon 7500, 80GB HDD

So far, I have tried booting the Inspiron off the Windows 7 disc, and it won't even recognize the DVD for some reason, so I guess that's out of the question. Mine doesn;t support USB devices either, even though the BIOS says otherwise . But I know Windows 7 has built in drivers some i'm hoping the desktop won't have an issue, but the laptop, i'm not so sure of, even though we don't have any issues at work with them. Any opinions? Thanks
 
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      05-11-2011
Hi mknabster - Welcome to w7forums

As much as I would love to sell another copy of Windows 7, I would not advise anyone to upgrade those machines to Windows 7. The graphical performance alone would handicap Windows Aero and in my opinion make the OS look pathetic compared to what is already installed. You have borderline CPU and adequate Memory to run Windows 7 but Windows 7 requires better graphics to function without disabling Windows Aero.

While Windows Aero is not needed, I can't get passed how disabling Windows Aero makes the OS look more like Windows 95 than any OS you maybe upgrading from (assuming your OS is not Win95). I know that visual effects is not the only reason to upgrade but it is the most noticeable of all upgrades.
 
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Thanks for the welcome, yea I know these machine are a bit old but none of them are used for gaming or anything graphics intensive. I have a Mac which I run Windows 7 via Bootcamp and that's what I do all my work on. These other machines have their uses, mainly because my father doesn't want to spend any new money on a newer machine which could bring all of these into one, but that's up to him, I just maintain them. I actually found out a way to put 7 on the Inspiron, so it'll be interesting how it'll react in the computer. I'll keep you posted on the results. Thanks
 
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55 GB is about the bare minimum to hold the W7 OS and settings, that won't leave you any room for a pagefile and temporary files and still store data. Also 2GB RAM is the minimum recommended for a 64bit OS so the Inspiron should be 32-bit.

Frankly the HD size and speed will not be great for W7. Personally I would NOT recommend upgrading but instead suggest you wait for new hardware to run W7.

You may also have other issues such as printers that are not supported or old software that may not work on W7. You should always download and install the W7 Upgrade Advisor on all machines where you are considering installing W7, prior to purchasing W7.
 
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No way 55GBs is needed for installation, my machine took up 18GBs after everything was installed for Ultimate. Again, these 3 each have their individual uses, and frankly, i'm getting tired of dealing with XP, since that alone doesn't last very long until needing to be blown away (roughly 6 months). But 7 seems to run the best, and the devices i have hooked up are compatible with 7, so that's no issue.
 
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      05-11-2011
Each machine could be upgraded for about the same cost as the OS.

Cost for the upgrade:
  • Motherboard - $40.99
  • CPU - $49.99
  • Memory - $26.99
Totaling - $117.97
Windows 7 Pro OEM - 129.99

The OS itself cost more than a hardware upgrade to support the OS.
You did mention Windows 7 Ultimate which cost even more than the version I listed above.
 
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I just remembered that Dell used BTX instead of the ATX form factor. The upgrade could cost more if your computers have this BTX form factor for it's motherbaord.
 
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      05-11-2011
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No way 55GBs is needed for installation
Not just the OS, but all my programs installed like MS office etc; I wouldn't have any room left for data.

You can try it if you like but as I said, check with the upgrade advisor. You may be frustrated with XP but I don't thik you will be happier with those old machines and W7.
 
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      05-12-2011
I had a quad boot (Win 2K, XP Media Center, Vista Ultimate & 7 Home Basic) all on a 100GB (93GB usable) Dell notebook. And there was a VM with Mint 9 installed within Vista. Vista actually needed the most room out of the 4 OS's, before the VM was installed.

2K ran on 8GB, XP on 22GB, Vista on 35GB, and the rest (28GB) went to 7. And I had enough programs installed for all OS's to function properly.

Many notebook users upgrades to a 64GB SSD, and that's the only HDD on the system. Believe me, it's plenty of space to run Win 7 on, even with Office 2010 installed.

Thing is, the standard for today's HDD's has became TB's, rather than GB's, at the expense of quality. There's a 50/50 chance that when one of these 1TB+ size HDD's are purchased, it will be RMA'd within a year, if it's not DOA when it arrives at your doorstep.

But when a computer is purchased, these HDD's tend to have fewer problems than aftermarket ones do. I've yet to buy a computer with a DOA HDD, even a used computer. Nor have I had one less than 3 years old go bad on me. However, out of 5 aftermarket HDD's that I've purchased, 3 has had to be RMA'd over one thing or another, usually excessive vibration, heat or noise. All were 750GB are larger.

However, there's one notable issue here, and that's older computers & Windows 7. I've done it 3 times, and wasn't totally happy with the results. The only way that I could attain a good Win 7 screen was with Home Basic, which I obtained through my former TechNet membership. Without the Aero screen, 7 doesn't really look good. In fact, Windows 2000 looked better on the notebooks, I guess in part because they were designed to run 2K/XP.

So are the 3 computers listed above.

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Thing is, the standard for today's HDD's has became TB's, rather than GB's, at the expense of quality. There's a 50/50 chance that when one of these 1TB+ size HDD's are purchased, it will be RMA'd within a year, if it's not DOA when it arrives at your doorstep.

But when a computer is purchased, these HDD's tend to have fewer problems than aftermarket ones do. I've yet to buy a computer with a DOA HDD, even a used computer. Nor have I had one less than 3 years old go bad on me. However, out of 5 aftermarket HDD's that I've purchased, 3 has had to be RMA'd over one thing or another, usually excessive vibration, heat or noise. All were 750GB are larger.
I'd say you've had bad luck. In 15 years I've only had 2 HDs fail on me and both were after several years of use.


As for size I checked and most of mine is data:
My C:\Windows folder tree is 22GB, my 32-bit programs take 10GB, my 64-bit only 2GB, and my pagefile is 3GB
so size-wise that's only 37GB which would fit to your limitations

but my music is 8GB, my downloads folder (programs/games/tools to try out) is 132GB, and my videos take 560GB which ends up filling most of my 1TB drive. Then I also maintain a 1TB back-up drive.

Even so I think you will be disappointed over running XP on such old hardware.

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